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MC 3 Stripes Plus One
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As i remember it he left Old Trafford because Alex couldnt guarantee Neville the games. |
Because he wasn't better than Roy Keane? Understandable really given that Keane is one of the best players the Premiership has seen. Would he played in so many Finals if he was considered to be poor? Do Elite sides carry players for the sake of it? Look at the tribute SAF gave him when he left and compare that to comments about Stam, Ince, Kanchelskis, Van Nistelrooy when they left!
Nicky Butt was poor at Newcastle at first and likewise at Birmingham City but last season he was superb and he is a crowd favourite. He has totally turned it around and is a vital cog in their midfield. Perhaps the last time you looked was two seasons ago? Butt was awesome in the 2002 World Cup, is that a tournament for the mediocre? The sad thing is he lost two seasons of his career.[/quote]
The only decent game I can remeber P Neville having was when he roughed up Arsenal to end their unbeaten run. Average player, now playing for an average team who were very very very lucky to beat Metalist in the UEFA Cup this year and last time in Europe were humilated by Romanians Dinamo Bucharest.
A decent side like Man U can just about carry one poor player. At Everton he is the ideal player for the type of game Everton play in the Premiership but put him up at International level he is nothing more than anoymous.
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Jards
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| MC 3 Stripes Plus One wrote: |
| Now there is a month to wait but looking at Israels home record one defeat to France in 14 competitive games there could still be some hope for salvation yet. |
Israel with nothing to play for, a country with a massive ethnic Russian population, at home to Russia whose richest man has close links with Israel and owns property there and no doubt bankrolls plenty of pro-Israeli organisations?
It would be like England having to beat Gibraltar to qualify.
England are out. Russia have more chance of dropping points at home to Andorra than away to Israel, trust me.
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European Championship Qualifying : Group A Table
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Poland 12 7 3 2 20 10 10 24
2 Portugal 12 6 5 1 23 10 13 23
3 Serbia 12 5 5 2 19 9 10 20
4 Finland 12 5 5 2 11 6 5 20
5 Belgium 12 4 3 5 13 14 -1 15
6 Armenia 10 2 3 5 4 11 -7 9
7 Kazakhstan 12 1 4 7 10 20 -10 7
8 Azerbaijan 10 1 2 7 5 25 -20 5
Poland will be guaranteed a spot at the Euro 2008 finals with victory over Belgium next month, though Portugal, Serbia and Finland could take top spot from them. Finland take on Portugal in their final group game, which could prove the decider.
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Why would Man Utd let Keanes understudy leave?? If he was such a vital cog you would have thought they would have moved heaven and earth to keep him shirly. |
He left as he wanted more regular football, understandable. His "utility" tag meant he required players like Keane to be injured to play week in, week out. After years of diligent service, he was allowed to leave. This was a mistake as he replaced him with the likes of Liam Miller and that guy they sold to Villa who has now faded into obscurity. He wasn't a first choice but he was a key squad man, Fergie realised his determination to get more games and let him leave. The fact he failed to replace him for some time shows the error.They didn't win the PL until the midfield was strengthened and the younger players got more experienced.
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| Didnt all the players metioned slag of Alex or the football club when they did leave?? |
Don't most players when they either don't wish to leave or hold a grudge after an incident? Neville could have stayed and picked up the odd appearance and medal. Leaving was on his terms.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Andy Mac's Fake Tan wrote: |
European Championship Qualifying : Group A Table
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Poland 12 7 3 2 20 10 10 24
2 Portugal 12 6 5 1 23 10 13 23
3 Serbia 12 5 5 2 19 9 10 20
4 Finland 12 5 5 2 11 6 5 20
5 Belgium 12 4 3 5 13 14 -1 15
6 Armenia 10 2 3 5 4 11 -7 9
7 Kazakhstan 12 1 4 7 10 20 -10 7
8 Azerbaijan 10 1 2 7 5 25 -20 5
Poland will be guaranteed a spot at the Euro 2008 finals with victory over Belgium next month, though Portugal, Serbia and Finland could take top spot from them. Finland take on Portugal in their final group game, which could prove the decider. |
What's that got to do with anything? The only good things about Serbia are Red Star fans, Dejan Stankovic and the fact that the national team plays defensively-minded football.
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| What's that got to do with anything? The only good things about Serbia are Red Star fans, Dejan Stankovic and the fact that the national team plays defensively-minded football. |
Belgrade is one of the world's great cities.
Serbs are great people, they love their football, their food and their politics. Shame about the basketball, but no-one's perfect.
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Andy Mac's Fake Tan
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| Andy Mac's Fake Tan wrote: |
European Championship Qualifying : Group A Table
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Poland 12 7 3 2 20 10 10 24
2 Portugal 12 6 5 1 23 10 13 23
3 Serbia 12 5 5 2 19 9 10 20
4 Finland 12 5 5 2 11 6 5 20
5 Belgium 12 4 3 5 13 14 -1 15
6 Armenia 10 2 3 5 4 11 -7 9
7 Kazakhstan 12 1 4 7 10 20 -10 7
8 Azerbaijan 10 1 2 7 5 25 -20 5
Poland will be guaranteed a spot at the Euro 2008 finals with victory over Belgium next month, though Portugal, Serbia and Finland could take top spot from them. Finland take on Portugal in their final group game, which could prove the decider. |
What's that got to do with anything? The only good things about Serbia are Red Star fans, Dejan Stankovic and the fact that the national team plays defensively-minded football.
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Andy Mac's Fake Tan
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Why?
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| Because it sounds stupid without it. I remember being corrected for not using 'that' in a sentence in an A-Level History essay and have been mentally scarred ever since. |
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We may have drifted off topic a tad.
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| We may have drifted off topic a tad. |
Useless post
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I was originally happy when Mclaren was appointed. However as time has gone on i think we need a man who is gunna grab the squad by the scruff of the neck. By this i mean if you aint performing at club level you aint gunna be playing for England. Phil Neville is one player for example who shouldnt be anywhere near the England squad but time and time again he is their.
We need someone who dosent respect past reputations. |
But Phil Neville does perform very well at club level. But not in the positions McLaren wants to play him.
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Hes never stood out at Everton for me. For me he was lucky enough to be in a very very good Man Utd team where you could carry him. If it wasnt for that imo he would be plying his trade at a team like Crewe.
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Neville the Younger has played both right back & centre midfield for Everton since leaving Man Utd at a high & consistant level. That's why he gets in the England squad, because he can do both.
One thing he isn't is a left back. This was proved as far back as 2000.
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Could he be the new England number 1?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| England are out. Russia have more chance of dropping points at home to Andorra than away to Israel, trust me. |
Oops.
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Attention Scotland: the normal world order is being restored.
And now I'm off to get circumcised with the winnings from a 6-1 wager on Israel!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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What a result Israel!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
I was the only man in York cheering the Italians on but I don't care. |
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What were the words of that Scotland song they used to taunt at us back in 1974?
"You didnae qualify"
Guess what neither did you YET again ....... and to make matters worse we only need to draw at Wembley to make the Scots week even more miserable.
I make no apologies for this post because come Wednesday I reckon most Scots will be WILLING England to lose.
Cmon England! 
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Well done to the Israelis for doing Russia for us. I think that there still may be the slightest glimmer of a chance of qualification now. Neddless to say, I will be glued to the screen in my local on Wednesday.
WELL DONE THE BREWS! COME ON ENGLAND!!
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| Herman the Tosser wrote: |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
I was the only man in York cheering the Italians on but I don't care. |
I think me and Tommi J cheered in the SC 80 seconds into the Jock Italy match Herman 
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| I think me and Tommi J cheered in the SC 80 seconds into the Jock Italy match Herman |
You weren't alone Dave. I've been (correctly) brought up to always support the underdog, but the nastiness from Scotland ahead of Euro 96 taught me that you have to make exceptions for some people.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Now there is a month to wait but looking at Israels home record one defeat to France in 14 competitive games there could still be some hope for salvation yet. |
Israel with nothing to play for, a country with a massive ethnic Russian population, at home to Russia whose richest man has close links with Israel and owns property there and no doubt bankrolls plenty of pro-Israeli organisations?
It would be like England having to beat Gibraltar to qualify.
England are out. Russia have more chance of dropping points at home to Andorra than away to Israel, trust me.
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Ye nice one our resident European football expert. About as accurate as your prediction a couple of years ago that Liverpool would never get to a European cup final again. They have only managed two in those 3 years since.
Echoes of 2000 when England qualified through the back door thanks to Sweden beating Poland. Engalnd have key players missing Wednesday but I imagine will qualify now due to Croatia having already made it. Still just like back in 2000 I imagine it will end in humiliation.
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| Jards wrote: |
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| Now there is a month to wait but looking at Israels home record one defeat to France in 14 competitive games there could still be some hope for salvation yet. |
Israel with nothing to play for, a country with a massive ethnic Russian population, at home to Russia whose richest man has close links with Israel and owns property there and no doubt bankrolls plenty of pro-Israeli organisations?
It would be like England having to beat Gibraltar to qualify.
England are out. Russia have more chance of dropping points at home to Andorra than away to Israel, trust me.
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Ye nice one our resident European football expert. About as accurate as your prediction a couple of years ago that Liverpool would never get to a European cup final again. They have only managed two in those 3 years since.
Echoes of 2000 when England qualified through the back door thanks to Sweden beating Poland. Engalnd have key players missing Wednesday but I imagine will qualify now due to Croatia having already made it. Still just like back in 2000 I imagine it will end in humiliation.
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Still if England got there it would yet again be better thanScotland ever did.
Oh the day just gets better McEwan hopefully gone England still init and McStripes upset about Scotland.
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MC 3 Stripes Plus One
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Bobby wrote: |
Attention Scotland: the normal world order is being restored.
And now I'm off to get circumcised with the winnings from a 6-1 wager on Israel! |
Yeah arrogant cocky pot bellied pricks could get a trip to vomit, fight and moon in a great country like Switzeralnd and Austria while real fans miss out.
World order. Should England qualify I can going down to the bookies to predict another exit on penalties.
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MC 3 Stripes Plus One
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Still if England got there it would yet again be better thanScotland ever did.
Oh the day just gets better McEwan hopefully gone England still init and McStripes upset about Scotland. |
What a stupid and predictable respone. The usual "well at least we qualified"
Not that I am Scottish but with Englands population and resources so they should be qualifying. That Scotland team today put more effort and determination into one game than the England team have put into the whole qualifying campaign. Nobody will argue that Italy don't have better players but they had a right go at them.
Still what would be really funny is if they f**k it up Wednesday. The players don't desrve to qualify. Simple as.
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Brilliant! The bitter as f**k Jocks are out and England getting a stay of execution has got Tony Talkshites back right up!
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Looks like my avantar idea is catching on!!!!!!!!!
I think we will qualify but it will sadly be another case of under-achieving and heartache next year - unless we ditch McLaren (buts thats another thread!)
WELL DONE THE BREWS! COME ON ENGLAND!!
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| MC 3 Stripes Plus One wrote: |
| Echoes of 2000 when England qualified through the back door thanks to Sweden beating Poland |
How can anybody qualify "through the backdoor"? The qualifications are based on FINAL placings ,when all the games have been played.If Poland weren't good enough to get the points needed in those games,no matter when they were played, then they didn't deserve to qualify.
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MC 3 Stripes Plus One
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Brilliant! The bitter as f**k Jocks are out and England getting a stay of execution has got Tony Talkshites back right up! |
Er as usaul I was right. I had a feeling Israel would get a result if you look at my comments. It's the messiah UK Phil who is wrong yet again.
As dissapointed as I am. I have the consolation of yet another summer of sad jump on the bandswagon fans, false hopes and expectations followed by the usaul failure and of course there has to be a villain of the piece. Oh and of course the usual predictable blaming the Police for England hooligan problems.
As for bitter jocks then I can only say I am very worried about a certain guy I met at Hampden Park watching Queens Park recently. England beating the Aussies at Rugby that weekend literally had him him literally pulling his hair out. I imagine that he is probably ready to jump off the Forth bridge right now.
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MC 3 Stripes Plus One
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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How can anybody qualify "through the backdoor"? The qualifications are based on FINAL placings ,when all the games have been played.If Poland weren't good enough to get the points needed in those games,no matter when they were played, then they didn't deserve to qualify. |
You know as well as I do that England should not be in a position of relying on other teams in order to qualify. So therefore should they qualify you could say it is through the back door.
Having said that Russia today bottled it. Israel showed that they are not a good side and exposed them for the weak defensive team they are. It did not suit the Russians having to chase a result. The worrying thing for England is that in Moscow they made Russia look like World beaters. That is why England have no chance at the finals should they qualify.
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