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carp1
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Monday night, BBC Four at 9.00pm ???
"A history of Factory records - Joy Division to the Happy Mondays"
Simply smashing it was.....
A fascinating musical history of the record label that was Factory. Including brilliant anecdotes from messers Sumner, Hook and Morris. Brilliant also was the late Tony Wilson....
Says something when even the most un-emotional person in the world - namely me ! Was almost reduced to tears as the programme brought back so many personal fantastic memories.
I'd almost forgotten about Joy Divisions appearance on "Something else" circa 1979 ?. I remember watching it all those years before whilst living with my parents, continually telling the old man to "shut up and stop laughing" at Ian Curtis's incredible gyrating performance. "Transmision" and "Shes lost control" played live, and note perfect, and there it was again last night, not seen by me for nigh on 28 years....
If its repeated, make sure you Factory types dont miss it, one and a half hours of musical magic.
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History degree at the University of Manchester.
Second lecture, on the development of the settlement:
"Go to Urbis, look around the Hacienda exhibition and be prepared to report back on Factory's influence the cultural attitude of the city".
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Helen
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice. It's a shame Leeds has contributed nothing or maybe I wouldn't have to study proper history. |
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Ivan Dobsky
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Nice. It's a shame Leeds has contributed nothing or maybe I wouldn't have to study proper history. |
Eh!? Sisters Of Mercy, Mekons, Gang Of Four, The Wedding Present, Marc Almond, The Warehouse nightclub, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, Henry Moore, Alan Bennett - I would go on but I fear the Whoosh of time. 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ivan Dobsky wrote: |
| Helen wrote: |
| Nice. It's a shame Leeds has contributed nothing or maybe I wouldn't have to study proper history. |
Eh!? Sisters Of Mercy, Mekons, Gang Of Four, The Wedding Present, Marc Almond, The Warehouse nightclub, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, Henry Moore, Alan Bennett - I would go on but I fear the Whoosh of time.
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Be Bop Deluxe were sort of Leeds as well. 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: |
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wern't the uk subs a leeds band as well ?
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Ivan Dobsky
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| wern't the uk subs a leeds band as well ? |
Nah mate, they're cockerneys.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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I do hope no-one is trying to put leeds on a par with Manchester when it comes to music and style.
Just because most of the bands you mentioned Ivan gave you (and me) employment for a while doesn't make them important (unless you're a goth).
Manchester is by far the most influential city in Britain for music - and the pubs are better.
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| The Wedding Present were ok and the Pale Saints were fabulous but apart from that Leeds is a musical deadzone in comparison. |
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Ivan Dobsky
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| Duckworth Lewis wrote: |
| Just because most of the bands you mentioned Ivan gave you (and me) employment for a while doesn't make them important (unless you're a goth). |
I think you know I'm not a Goth DL! I forgot to mention the Duchess Of York pub - I saw the Young Gods there amonst others. I think it was to do with the time plus I f***ing hate most Mancunians I've ever come across. I lived there for nearly two years in the late 80's/early 90's.
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[quote="Ivan Dobsky"]
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| Nice. It's a shame Leeds has contributed nothing or maybe I wouldn't have to study proper history. |
The Warehouse nightclub, quote]
Ah the Warehouse now you are talking dancing all night and sex in the ladies toilets!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| Ah the Warehouse now you are talking dancing all night and sex in the ladies toilets! |
Eww! I've spewed in those toilets!
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| Ivan Dobsky wrote: |
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| Just because most of the bands you mentioned Ivan gave you (and me) employment for a while doesn't make them important (unless you're a goth). |
I think you know I'm not a Goth DL! I forgot to mention the Duchess Of York pub - I saw the Young Gods there amonst others. I think it was to do with the time plus I f***ing hate most Mancunians I've ever come across. I lived there for nearly two years in the late 80's/early 90's.
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I'm sure I saw you in The Faversham with Wayne Hussey once, necking a bottle of Blue Nun while Andrew Eldridge touched up his eyeliner in the bogs.
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| Manchester is by far the most influential city in Britain for music - and the pubs are better. |
Really? Not a patch on York from what I've found so far, apart from the Lass o'Gowrie.
Now where do I go to watch Setanta tomorrow?
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carp1
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| Duckworth Lewis wrote: |
| Ivan Dobsky wrote: |
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| Just because most of the bands you mentioned Ivan gave you (and me) employment for a while doesn't make them important (unless you're a goth). |
I think you know I'm not a Goth DL! I forgot to mention the Duchess Of York pub - I saw the Young Gods there amonst others. I think it was to do with the time plus I f***ing hate most Mancunians I've ever come across. I lived there for nearly two years in the late 80's/early 90's.
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I'm sure I saw you in The Faversham with Wayne Hussey once, necking a bottle of Blue Nun while Andrew Eldridge touched up his eyeliner in the bogs.
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Ah the Faversham...
80'S haunt of the Carp, always THE Friday night boozer prior to a long night gyrating away at the Warehouse.
I remember how "The Sisters"[ and later the mission ] were usually camped in the centre of the pub with a plethora of ghastly gothic "hangers oners".
I was a bit matey with Craig and Gary [ original members ] prior to "The Sisters" meteoric rise to fame. In fact Craig used to work in virgin records when it was down the bottom of Briggate.....
If memory serves the Faversham was the first place I ever saw lager sold in big glass jugs. Dont laugh younger bods, lager in jugs is pretty normal these days but in Leeds circa 1985 it was real radical man.....
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Ah, the Fav. You probs did see me there DL. I confess, I was Dr Avalanche's manager.  . I did used to go in there when I worked at Our Price in York in 1987.
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| makingprogress wrote: |
| Duckworth Lewis wrote: |
| Manchester is by far the most influential city in Britain for music - and the pubs are better. |
Really? Not a patch on York from what I've found so far, apart from the Lass o'Gowrie.
Now where do I go to watch Setanta tomorrow?
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Lass o' Gowrie is where, one new years eve, me and some mates were stood in the doorway when some scruffy student type mistook us for bouncers and ask us if he could come in, we turned him away.
We then spent the next hour turning people away for rediculous reasons.
"Sorry not tonight son, too much hair gel"
"Sorry - your girlfriend is ginger."
"Sorry - no shoes, only trainers I'm afraid"
With in an hour we had managed to make the pub about 75% women, before getting sussed by the barman.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| Duckworth Lewis wrote: |
Manchester is by far the most influential city in Britain for music - and the pubs are better. |
I can't believe I'm about to speak up for this sh1t stain on England's otherwise green and pleasant land, but what about Liverpool? If it weren't for The Beatles we'd still be listening to American imports- it's difficult to imagine how different the musical landscape was pre 1963, given everything that's gone since. Manchester may have a larger haul of influential bands since The Beatles, but the British popular music scene we know and love today was spawned (much as it pains me to say it) in Liverpool.
With regards to L**ds, I'd say Sheffield's been more important all in all- they've had major players in every decade I think. Cocker in the 60's, the 70's were sh1t but Deaf Leopard, Human League in t'eighties, Pulp in the 90s and those little polar simian chappies this decade (I'm not going to say noughties, it sounds w@nk). I rest my case
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| o2baYORKIE wrote: |
| ...and those little polar simian chappies... |
I take it by that you mean Milburn? Afterall they did teach the Arctic Monkeys how to play their instruments. The right place right time as always for some bands when it comes to who makes the breakthrough and who makes it big. Why is it always one of the mediocre bands that gets lucky... unfortunatley.
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Northern Uproar were doing twelve years ago what the Arctic Rolls have apparently pioneered. If the internet and free downloads had been der rigeur then, it might have been much different for a lot of bands. For The Kaiser Chiefs see Menswear or The Dandys.
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I'm watching the York game in the Lass O'Gowrie tonight.
Manchester? It's home. |
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| Northern Uproar were doing twelve years ago what the Arctic Rolls have apparently pioneered. If the internet and free downloads had been der rigeur then, it might have been much different for a lot of bands. For The Kaiser Chiefs see Menswear or The Dandys. |
R u on facebook at all AMC? If so, may I point you in the direction of the group Sh1t Britpop- We salute you!
By namechecking The Dandys, it's clearly somewhere you'd find yourself right at home. I recently purchased their (I think) only album- it really doesn't stand the test of time as well as I'd hoped. Nuisance, however, really does. I don't think you can say that Menswe@r wanted for exposure however, nor Northern Uproar- it's just that it was a sound particular to that time. I'd imagine the same will be said about the Arctics in a decade or so, but you really can't dispute the fact that they're the major players in British music this decade (along with Franz Ferdinand and, too a lesser extent the Kaisers).
[show off] speaking of Franz Ferdinand, did I ever mention that I supported them when they played Fibbers? [/show off]
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I once encountered Northern Uproar upstairs in McDonalds in Leeds - I got chatting to them and they asked if I was going to their gig that night; alas I had to disappoint them as I was off to Up Yer Ronson instead
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| I once encountered Northern Uproar upstairs in McDonalds in Leeds - I got chatting to them and they asked if I was going to their gig that night; alas I had to disappoint them as I was off to Up Yer Ronson instead |
They've re-formed and have a new album out, the tracks I've heard are rather good. They were halcyon days, City in what is League One and mediocre guitar music being der rigeur. A perfect blend.....
Oh and O2B, I am on facebook, I'll check out that group. It sounds right up my boulevard.
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| [show off] speaking of Franz Ferdinand, did I ever mention that I supported them when they played Fibbers? [/show off] |
I was at that gig. Are you member of Dogs Die In Hot Cars? Or Son & Daughters?
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| Herman the Tosser wrote: |
I'm watching the York game in the Lass O'Gowrie tonight.
Manchester? It's home. |
Ooh, I'll only be getting there after eight. Do you think it'll be packed out by then?
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Getting back to the original thread, the programme on Factory was brilliant. It's amazing the success Factory had (eventually) considering the bands they didn't sign. Magazine for one, who were brilliant and possibly the most under rated band of all time and The Smiths and many others!
Also the fact that Wilson and the others didn't seem to have a clue, nor did they want to know how to run a business. I think Wilson said that they were losing £50,000 a month on the Hacienda!!!!
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| Herman the Tosser wrote: |
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| [show off] speaking of Franz Ferdinand, did I ever mention that I supported them when they played Fibbers? [/show off] |
I was at that gig. Are you member of Dogs Die In Hot Cars? Or Son & Daughters?
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No, I was the very first act on- before S&D and DDIHC. Perhaps one of the worst gigs I ever played, cos everyone had come to see the main bands and really wasn't interested in me whatsoever. I didn't get a soundcheck either which, as I play on my own, isn't unusual- but I always find it offensive. Not entirely sure why Tim let me have the gig TBH, I just asked on the off chance- it's good to say I did it, but not my finest hour. I called myself Just Jon at the time, though I've since had to drop that since that cnut Just Jack came about... b*****d!
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| makingprogress wrote: |
| Herman the Tosser wrote: |
I'm watching the York game in the Lass O'Gowrie tonight.
Manchester? It's home. |
Ooh, I'll only be getting there after eight. Do you think it'll be packed out by then?
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I was in there to watch the R&D game and while busy I had an entire TV to myself. Because the cricket was on at the same time it was a bit busy.
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| Whinmoor Red wrote: |
Getting back to the original thread, the programme on Factory was brilliant. It's amazing the success Factory had (eventually) considering the bands they didn't sign. Magazine for one, who were brilliant and possibly the most under rated band of all time and The Smiths and many others!
Also the fact that Wilson and the others didn't seem to have a clue, nor did they want to know how to run a business. I think Wilson said that they were losing £50,000 a month on the Hacienda!!!!
Joy Division ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh great stuff! |
Thank God Magazine and the Smiths didn't sign to Factory. It could have been disastrous. Like James but tenfold worse.
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