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 Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: General Ramsay Clark thread for Tony |
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Despite my repeated statements about living in a third world mini America, where the news is completely insular and self obsessed, Tony has somehow got it into his head that I admire a guy who I have actually never heard of...I hear the groans of what's new.
So I thought that maybe Tony can use this thread to bring me up to speed on who this guy is, why I should care and precisely what relevance he has to any of my comments about the war in Iraq being illegal, stupid and indefensible.
So please Tony go ahead, I am fascinated mate...
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Taste of your own medicine. You choose to post unreliable and biased links that are linked to your Leftist Agenda and what do you expect. You have done it to others before so why cry when the same happens to you.
Never hear of General Wesley Clark. Who are you trying to kid  . He is typical of the Self Obsessed, Self Righteous and Money Making Individuals the Left worship in their opposition to the War.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: Re: General Ramsay Clark thread for Tony |
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| Despite my repeated statements about living in a third world mini America, where the news is completely insular and self obsessed... |
More proof that you really don't read what other people post... 
I genuinely never heard of the bloke, although I do know about the Highway of Death, unlike you, I was a grown up when it actually happened and many people were appalled at the time.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: Re: General Ramsay Clark thread for Tony |
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I genuinely never heard of the bloke, although I do know about the Highway of Death, unlike you, I was a grown up when it actually happened and many people were appalled at the time. |
Yeah right you have never heard of him. Just yet another of your attempts to discredit anyone who has a different opinion to that of yourself. If anyone posts a link from a biased website that didn't conform to your view you would be on one.
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So you not only write s***e, you make it up too...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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So you not only write s***e, you make it up too... |
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If things were judged on the basis of public opinion, as Tony stupidly suggests they should be in this case, then Bush and Blair must be indicted for war crimes.
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How so Chris, your logic is totally flawed there.
Go back and re-read the snippet you quoted....IN CONTEXT HELPS.
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How so Chris, your logic is totally flawed there.
Go back and re-read the snippet you quoted....IN CONTEXT HELPS. |
Then please place it in context then, because the claim is an error. There are 'some' people who believe - like you - that Blair and Bush should be indicted for war crimes, but it is not the "basis" of public opinion.
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You've miss quoted him and/or misunderstood what he has wrote Chris.
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| If things were judged on the basis of public opinion, as Tony stupidly suggests they should be in this case, then Bush and Blair must be indicted for war crimes. |
Hope that helps Chris...
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| If things were judged on the basis of public opinion, as Tony stupidly suggests they should be in this case, then Bush and Blair must be indicted for war crimes. |
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So you believe that the basis of public opinion is that Blair and Bush should be indicted for war crimes? I'm only asking, as I know the context is important, so just asking for clarity.
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Hard for me to judge at a distance Chris. To be honest, as I have already tried to explain to Tony, this General Ramsay Clark bloke is a new one on me.
Australian news consists of "Rugby League Player in Rape Allegations cover up", "Interest rates at an all time high" and "Australian forces playing a vital role in Iraq". There is little or no "International News" here, so I can only go on CNN, ABC, BBC etc.. websites for news.
Certainly the "have your says" on the BBC Website seem to suggest massive public feeling against both Bush and Blair, and interestingly against this latest "death sentence", but what demographic is represented there is hard to judge..
So the honest answer, given that I have seen news of massive anti war marches in Europe and the US would be, it would appear so. 
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Was he the bloke that Ramsay Street was named after?
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Hard for me to judge at a distance Chris. To be honest, as I have already tried to explain to Tony, this General Ramsay Clark bloke is a new one on me.
Australian news consists of "Rugby League Player in Rape Allegations cover up", "Interest rates at an all time high" and "Australian forces playing a vital role in Iraq". There is little or no "International News" here, so I can only go on CNN, ABC, BBC etc.. websites for news.
Certainly the "have your says" on the BBC Website seem to suggest massive public feeling against both Bush and Blair, and interestingly against this latest "death sentence", but what demographic is represented there is hard to judge..
So the honest answer, given that I have seen news of massive anti war marches in Europe and the US would be, it would appear so. |
To be fair deeuu the only people who go on the "have your says" on the BBC tend to be people who are opposed to the given subect. A lot more people just don't give a sh*t.
And, there are a lot more people who don't go on anti-war marches than do go on them.
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| Was he the bloke that Ramsay Street was named after? |
Don't be so stupid AMFT!
Everyone knows he's a cook!
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| Was he the bloke that Ramsay Street was named after? |
Don't be so stupid AMFT!
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No, he's a f***ing f**k twit f***ing good cook. 
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| To be fair deeuu the only people who go on the "have your says" on the BBC tend to be people who are opposed to the given subect. A lot more people just don't give a sh*t. |
I accept that, which is precisely why I said it is hard to judge from a distance.
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Hard for me to judge at a distance Chris. To be honest, as I have already tried to explain to Tony, this General Ramsay Clark bloke is a new one on me.
Australian news consists of "Rugby League Player in Rape Allegations cover up", "Interest rates at an all time high" and "Australian forces playing a vital role in Iraq". There is little or no "International News" here, so I can only go on CNN, ABC, BBC etc.. websites for news.
Certainly the "have your says" on the BBC Website seem to suggest massive public feeling against both Bush and Blair, and interestingly against this latest "death sentence", but what demographic is represented there is hard to judge..
So the honest answer, given that I have seen news of massive anti war marches in Europe and the US would be, it would appear so. |
Fair enough, thanks for the honest answer.
I disagree (no shock there!) that it is a majority opinion, especially on the war crimes front. I totally accept that there's a lot (majority) of dislike for Bush especially, but not to the level of dragging them in front of the Hauge. I would be inclinded (given there's no polls that even suggest the the opposite) to believe that not that many people would go as far as War Crimes, and to suggest it is a baseline public opinion is wrong.
Additional: Bit of good news coming through is Rumsfeld is about to go (according to US reports). Never rated him from the start.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: War crimes |
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(If you come second you go to the Hague..if you come first you dont !)
We have to accept of course that the American left is pretty much to the right of our centre ground in general terms so its pretty useless debating the point when the parameters are off-skew. The American military is of course fairly well to the right and so Wesley Clark, Tommy Franks etc. wouldnt have been where they were if they couldnt be accused by Brits of being a little far out there.
I was at one of the pep talks given by Tommy Franks just prior to the last Gulf War.....the military gung-ho attitude is amazing if somewhat squirm-worthy...but its what they do and its unlikely to change drastically under the democrats |
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