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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-1heKfeO1g&search=ultras
Glad to see, but not surprised, that the words 'police' and 'inept' are go hand in hand in all nations.
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| Do the rest of the JR have anything to say on this matter? |
What ?
Runout of your own steam ?
Only 'feel the power' in a group ?
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| Do the rest of the JR have anything to say on this matter? |
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Yes, I just can't be bothered to argue with you, seeing that there's no way that any view except yours is correct.
I was just interested to see what people with similar views to myself on this matter have to say, but never mind.
You win Yabba, congratulations.
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| Do the rest of the JR have anything to say on this matter? |
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Yes, I just can't be bothered to argue with you, seeing that there's no way that any view except yours is correct.
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Well that's that then.
Proves the point its bollox! If you can't fight your corner, all I asked is where you got this utopia ultra theory & gave you evidence of first hand experience & further evidence of 'ultras'.
Without labelling ones self a an 'Ultra' means sweet FA. There used to be 2,000 potential 'Ultras' (trust members) what power did they have ?
Fine if you want to wave flags, but the 'group hugging all powerful' ultra theory is guff.
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And the sooner this happens, and the fans in the English game become a more powerful organisation, the better.
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Define power? Power and respect does not stem from mincing around with a few flags and chucking a few toilet rolls around. If that were the case then Accrington Stanley fans would be among the most influential figures in the modern game. As good as it may be aesthetically and however much the atmosphere at grounds improves fans will have no more power within the game. Ultras in Italy use violence and intimidation as a tool to manipulate their Clubs, I remember riots when Signori was going to be sold from Lazio and the deal was stopped. Credibility does not come from such things, it might be Machiavellian but it's not how modern society works.
The current climate at City shows that the real fans do not have any say, even within a structure like a Supporter's Trust. Football Clubs cannot be run by having a consensus on all matters and straw polls on every subject. Why should they? Idiots are in plentiful supply in society, listen to some of the comments from people at BC - some of it is unbelievable. Players go from "donkeys" to heroes within a few touches of the ball. By their very nature football fans have inflated images of their Clubs, their place in the pyramid and they let their hearts rule their heads.
Like most things in life, it all boils down to money, like it or not. Credibility can be bought along with influence and power. Look at Burlesconi (spelling?) in Italy. The only pressure fans can exert is through money, boycotting Club merchandise or refusing to watch the Club and the actual instances of this being exerted are few and far between and only rarely has it worked en mass. True football fans can never tear themselves away from the Club they love. Power doesn't come from placards, flags, protests or witty chants. If power came from the support you gave your team then Trigger would be pulling the strings at City and we could dismiss Jason McGill now. Society does not work like that, money talks and the vision you speak of is pure idealism.
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| If power came from the support you gave your team then Trigger would be pulling the strings at City and we could dismiss Jason McGill now. |
Yes! Trigger for Chairman!  
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How does waving a flag over someones face whilst they want to watch the game, bring colour ? It brings aggression, as most people can see the thing they've paid to watch.
I suggest you stick to kite flying.
It's only tinpot non-league clubs who have some bizzare wish for ridiculous flags & fecking drums.
This is to hide the lack of attendance, some of you who wish to try & delude us into thinking it's an "atmosphere" thing is complete pish.
Only a matter of time before it leads to ............................................
USA! USA! USA! 
And I'll be the first to put my foot through any idiots drum if they dare to bring it into a York end. 
I prefer 'On Ilkley Moor bar tat' bollox....
I look forward to your flag waving & banging of drums at the next YCST AGM, interesting to see what 'power' it brings you.
Ps: Don't forget your bright yellow pants! (worn on the outside of your trousers.....for 'effect'.........of course).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-1heKfeO1g&search=ultras
At least the soundtrack has a good rhythm..................
but this is more like the English equivalent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsT5buFf2fc&search=ultras [/quote]
I dont know why the USA USA USA is your example. there aren't any american sporting events that rival the typical football derby for overall noise and crowd participation. Maybe playoff basketball or american football but I remember chanting YORKSHIRE YORKSHORE YORKSHIRE at the Stevenage game. whats the difference?
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To be honest i'm not too fussed about drums.
The lad who was playing them at York vs Aldershot is my mates cousin and is only about six, and everyone was chanting "you can shove your f***ing drumsticks up your ar*e" at him. I wouldn't have minded but no one was really arsed to sing that day. Could've done with the drums on Saturday to cover up the piss poor atmosphere vs Gravesend. Whats wrong with the fans getting involved? Thats the kind of attitude that'll send kids to the f***ing egg chasing at Huntington 'Stadium'. I'd rather they grew up coming to York City and enjoying themselves.
Luckily for all the knob-heads that day, the child in question is a season ticket holder, and when he was called to be seen at the end of the game, it was because they wanted him to take the drum to every game. Not surprisingly, because of the fans reaction it hasn't re-appeared.
On the other hand though, if a great bit f***ing flag was to cross my path before Bish stepped up to take a pen I'd find the nearest pair of scissors and apply some of my very own touches to the intruding fu***r.
Then i'd put it on display and get the Turner Prize for it.
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| On the other hand though, if a great bit f***ing flag was to cross my path before Bish stepped up to take a pen I'd find the nearest pair of scissors and apply some of my very own touches to the intruding fu***r. |
I can just about tolerate a few flags (and I say "a few") but nonsense like drums and even f**king loudhailers at football should not be tolerated especially at this pathetic level of football.
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Excuse my lack of knowledge.
What are loudhailers?
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Otherwise known as "megaphones".
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Though to be fair the megaphone with für Elise at Morecambe did brighten up an otherwise crap day out in Morecambe, especially Dicko leaning out the minibus window as they were driving into Morecambe before the game.
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| Though to be fair the megaphone with für Elise at Morecambe did brighten up an otherwise crap day out in Morecambe, especially Dicko leaning out the minibus window as they were driving into Morecambe before the game. |
Sounds fantastic, I wish I'd been there.
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| Though to be fair the megaphone with für Elise at Morecambe did brighten up an otherwise crap day out in Morecambe, especially Dicko leaning out the minibus window as they were driving into Morecambe before the game. |
Sounds fantastic, I wish I'd been there.
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I wish I hadn't been there when they drove round my entire halls of residence complex at 8am, with Dicko hanging out of the window shouting my name through the megaphone the whole way round.
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It could have been worse, they could have been shouting the name of your racist professor you have been bunking off lectures to whinge about this afternoon.
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| I wish I hadn't been there when they drove round my entire halls of residence complex at 8am, with Dicko hanging out of the window shouting my name through the megaphone the whole way round. |
It could have been worse, they could have been shouting the name of your racist professor you have been bunking off lectures to whinge about this afternoon.
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Phil, you've let me down, i got 23 words into that and started to get excited
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| I wish I hadn't been there when they drove round my entire halls of residence complex at 8am, with Dicko hanging out of the window shouting my name through the megaphone the whole way round. |
It could have been worse, they could have been shouting the name of your racist professor you have been bunking off lectures to whinge about this afternoon.
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I bunked off my lecture to write an essay actually.
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I dont know why the USA USA USA is your example. there aren't any american sporting events that rival the typical football derby for overall noise and crowd participation. Maybe playoff basketball or american football but I remember chanting YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE at the Stevenage game. whats the difference?
Dont get me wrong, the chanting,cheering and singing are one of the reasons I love english football. |
Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport  ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level.
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I dont know why the USA USA USA is your example. there aren't any american sporting events that rival the typical football derby for overall noise and crowd participation. Maybe playoff basketball or american football but I remember chanting YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE at the Stevenage game. whats the difference?
Dont get me wrong, the chanting,cheering and singing are one of the reasons I love english football. |
Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level.
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you're wrong-
unless it's its a playoff game or some other big rivalry most american sporting events dont have the noise that english football does.
college sports probably have more noise than the pros, especially college football in the south.
I think a lot of americans are self concience (spelling?) about yelling something out.
Not American??? born in chicago and didnt leave the country (Canada and a Carribean cruise don't count) until I visited your area last November.
cheers Yabba, it's Friday!!
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I dont know why the USA USA USA is your example. there aren't any american sporting events that rival the typical football derby for overall noise and crowd participation. Maybe playoff basketball or american football but I remember chanting YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE at the Stevenage game. whats the difference?
Dont get me wrong, the chanting,cheering and singing are one of the reasons I love english football. |
Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level.
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you're wrong-
unless it's its a playoff game or some other big rivalry most american sporting events dont have the noise that english football does.
college sports probably have more noise than the pros, especially college football in the south.
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Thank fook I did !
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I dont know why the USA USA USA is your example. there aren't any american sporting events that rival the typical football derby for overall noise and crowd participation. Maybe playoff basketball or american football but I remember chanting YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE at the Stevenage game. whats the difference?
Dont get me wrong, the chanting,cheering and singing are one of the reasons I love english football. |
Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level.
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you're wrong-
unless it's its a playoff game or some other big rivalry most american sporting events dont have the noise that english football does.
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somebody p*ss in your oatmeal this morning?
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Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level. |
NCAA College Basketball is the only thing close to a football-type atmosphere, especially in "March Madness."
College American Football is basically one big shag-fest where the college kids are in the car park, rather than watching the game (which is watched by 50 year old blokes thinking how they never made it).
NFL = no atmosphere and isn't selling some games out now.
Baseball = See Homer Simpson when sober at a Baseball game for reference. "I never knew this sport was so boring"
Ice Hockey = Well that imploded a few years ago...so that gets a big N/A.
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I dont know why the USA USA USA is your example. there aren't any american sporting events that rival the typical football derby for overall noise and crowd participation. Maybe playoff basketball or american football but I remember chanting YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE at the Stevenage game. whats the difference?
Dont get me wrong, the chanting,cheering and singing are one of the reasons I love english football. |
Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level.
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you're wrong-
unless it's its a playoff game or some other big rivalry most american sporting events dont have the noise that english football does.
college sports probably have more noise than the pros, especially college football in the south.
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It happens most mornings mate, I wouldn't worry. They even sh*t in it too, you probably noticed with it constantly coming out of his mouth.
Bless him.
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Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level. |
NCAA College Basketball is the only thing close to a football-type atmosphere, especially in "March Madness."
College American Football is basically one big shag-fest where the college kids are in the car park, rather than watching the game (which is watched by 50 year old blokes thinking how they never made it).
NFL = no atmosphere and isn't selling some games out now.
Baseball = See Homer Simpson when sober at a Baseball game for reference. "I never knew this sport was so boring"
Ice Hockey = Well that imploded a few years ago...so that gets a big N/A.
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Bit of a generalisation Chris .....
Having seen many NFL games on TV, the atmosphere in places like Kansas City, Oakland, Washington (Go 'Skins !  ), Pittsburgh and Philly seems pretty good to me and at times borders on raucous.
Baseball I CAN talk about from experience and obviously there's long periods where the crowd excitement drops due to nowt happening (and the sheer number of games - 162 in the regular season) but I've been at games at Shea (Mets), Yankee Stadium and Philly where the stands were literally bouncing !
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| [I've been at games at Shea (Mets), Yankee Stadium and Philly where the stands were literally bouncing ! |
Isn't that when the fans waddle in with their buckets of hot dogs and what not?
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Isn't that when the fans waddle in with their buckets of hot dogs and what not?
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Shut it you git !
Lot of skinny people go to Baseball games.
Obviously I'm not one of them like ....
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Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level. |
NCAA College Basketball is the only thing close to a football-type atmosphere, especially in "March Madness."
College American Football is basically one big shag-fest where the college kids are in the car park, rather than watching the game (which is watched by 50 year old blokes thinking how they never made it).
NFL = no atmosphere and isn't selling some games out now.
Baseball = See Homer Simpson when sober at a Baseball game for reference. "I never knew this sport was so boring"
Ice Hockey = Well that imploded a few years ago...so that gets a big N/A.
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Bit of a generalisation Chris .....
Having seen many NFL games on TV, the atmosphere in places like Kansas City, Oakland, Washington (Go 'Skins ! ), Pittsburgh and Philly seems pretty good to me and at times borders on raucous.
Baseball I CAN talk about from experience and obviously there's long periods where the crowd excitement drops due to nowt happening (and the sheer number of games - 162 in the regular season) but I've been at games at Shea (Mets), Yankee Stadium and Philly where the stands were literally bouncing !
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I guess I would say that in certain situations like NFL playoffs where the team has to take a time out due to crowd noise because they cant hear the quarterbck or really any playoff atmosphere sports in the USA the noise is as loud or even louder than english football. But for week in and week out support I think the english football is stronger. I dont think there are as many disgruntled fans in the USA who go every week just to b***h and moan at their team.
The loud singing is certainly something thats not done at american events even though I think it's great. Part of the problem here is that the country is so big that there is not a lot of away support so there's no rivalry cheering (trying to outsing the other fans). Plus sports are so expensive now and the people who go arent the true fans but usually someone trying to impreess business clients.
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Yabba
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I dont know why the USA USA USA is your example. there aren't any american sporting events that rival the typical football derby for overall noise and crowd participation. Maybe playoff basketball or american football but I remember chanting YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE at the Stevenage game. whats the difference?
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Pretty much we are as convincing at "razzmatazz" as Diana Ross is at football (WC 1994).
Trust silly east coast people to shout things & don't know why .
I suspect you are not American, after all you say there is no equivalent in American sport. College Football / Basketball / Baseball & Ice Hockey plus the professional side does (that covers almost every national sport ) have the same rivalries & noise (maybe without the singing bit). Also I've heard of the violence is on the increase mainly at college level.
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you're wrong-
unless it's its a playoff game or some other big rivalry most american sporting events dont have the noise that english football does.
college sports probably have more noise than the pros, especially college football in the south.
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Thank fook I did !
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somebody p*ss in your oatmeal this morning?
enjoy the weekend!!
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It happens most mornings mate, I wouldn't worry. They even sh*t in it too, you probably noticed with it constantly coming out of his mouth.
Bless him.
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