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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: Graeme Souness |
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Is it just me who thinks it would be very harsh to sack him? The fans need a little patience in my opinion, Souness has had terrible luck. All the injuries, Owen, Dyer etc. Pedersons goal on Saturday, penalties and red cards that were a bit dubious. And Newcastle have had a few good runs when he's been incharge when he's got all his team together.
If Freddy Shepherd gives in to the fans and does sack him I can't really think of a replacement. Sam Allardyce is the name about but I think he's quite commited to Bolton. Alan Curbishley maybe? |
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Richard
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Souness is an appauling manager and should be sacked.
As for the injuries - it was Souness who decided to spend £10 million on Luque who isn't interested at the moment as he is being asked to play out of position - he could have bought 5 £2 million players for that.
Also - it's a myth about the injuries. Look at the team that played in Newcastle's last game:
Given - Great goalkeeper
Ramage - Youngster full of enthusiasm who is a decent player
Babayaro - Not the greatest defender, but not a bad player
Bramble - shocking at times but still solid
Boumsong - great when he arrived, once Souness got hold of him he's lost all desire to play. Still has more than enough ability to be a great player.
Solano - very good player still producing the goods
Luque - being played out of position and not looking interested
Clark - solid midfielder capable of holding the middle together
Bowyer - has shown that he is a great player, lacking motivation at the moment
Shearer - still banging them in and will continue to if given service
Chopra - willing to run and run but maybe untried at this level
If you look at that team it isn't a team that should lose 1-0 to Blackburn without even a wimper. That's a team that should be comfortably in the top half of the table without any problems.
Souness can't motivate the players, he is clueless tactically and basically has to go. Forget all the rubbish about injuries etc. Souness has build a squad that is good enough to be pushing for Europe, but he isn't good enough to get them anywhere near there.
Anyone know what the odds are for the 3 North East teams to be relegated this season? |
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dave helsdon
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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He just hasnt got a clue.
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Laura
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Given - Great goalkeeper
Ramage - Nowhere near good enough for the Premiership yet.
Babayaro - absolutely sh*te
Bramble - shocking at times, lazy, thick, can't read the game.
Boumsong - see Bramble.
Solano - good player on his day, drifts in and out of games
Luque - biggest waste of £9million since El Hadji Diuof
Clark - past it, never has been a Championship standard player let alone Premiership level.
Bowyer - Moody, big time tw*t who is drunk more times during the week than he is sober.
Shearer - Not the Shearer of old but still capable of doing a job.
Chopra - Big time and a pile of w**k not a good combo.
I would say that is a more honest reflection from a Newcastle fan. Shay Given is a fantastic keeper. The defence ever since it lost Woodgate (good bit of business though) hasn't been the same, he read the game with a natural instinct something of which Bramble and Boumsong will never be able to do, even O'Brien was a better defender than these two. The midfield, should of done mroe to keep Jenas who with the right Gaffa behind him could of gone on to become the next Gerrard. He will still do this, but at Tottenham instead of Newcastle. Lee Clark = what the F**k!!! what is he doing there?! Bowyer, doesn't want to be here so why are we keeping him. Luque, can almost guarentee we signed him on reputation and never had him watched whilst at Deportivo. Chopra despite his so called 'reputation' is nothing but a big timer who thinks he's made it and will now sit earning wedge thousand pounds a week. All in all, Nwecastle are a shadow of the former sleeping giant they were a couple of years back. Souness has to go. Curbishley, Allardyce, Warnock, Jewell. Any of these could do a better job than Souness.
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Richard
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Laura wrote: |
Given - Great goalkeeper
Ramage - Nowhere near good enough for the Premiership yet.
Babayaro - absolutely sh*te
Bramble - shocking at times, lazy, thick, can't read the game.
Boumsong - see Bramble.
Solano - good player on his day, drifts in and out of games
Luque - biggest waste of £9million since El Hadji Diuof
Clark - past it, never has been a Championship standard player let alone Premiership level.
Bowyer - Moody, big time tw*t who is drunk more times during the week than he is sober.
Shearer - Not the Shearer of old but still capable of doing a job.
Chopra - Big time and a pile of w**k not a good combo.
I would say that is a more honest reflection from a Newcastle fan. Shay Given is a fantastic keeper. The defence ever since it lost Woodgate (good bit of business though) hasn't been the same, he read the game with a natural instinct something of which Bramble and Boumsong will never be able to do, even O'Brien was a better defender than these two. The midfield, should of done mroe to keep Jenas who with the right Gaffa behind him could of gone on to become the next Gerrard. He will still do this, but at Tottenham instead of Newcastle. Lee Clark = what the F**k!!! what is he doing there?! Bowyer, doesn't want to be here so why are we keeping him. Luque, can almost guarentee we signed him on reputation and never had him watched whilst at Deportivo. Chopra despite his so called 'reputation' is nothing but a big timer who thinks he's made it and will now sit earning wedge thousand pounds a week. All in all, Nwecastle are a shadow of the former sleeping giant they were a couple of years back. Souness has to go. Curbishley, Allardyce, Warnock, Jewell. Any of these could do a better job than Souness. |
You clearly don't go to the games or talk to those who go often (living in Newcastle I talk to a load of Geordie season ticket hoders regularly - and I've been a couple of times this season) - and Lee Clark does play a vital part in the middle of that midfield. He was never meant to be a first teamer this season - but thanks to Souness's management he's been forced into that role as better players have left.
Solano is one of the few outfield Newcastle players who still contributes massively and his delivery from the right is essential for Shearer as there's nothing coming in from the left.
Boumsong is a decent defender (as he showed after his arrival) and Bramble can also play a bit (as he showed alongside Woodgate when they looked like a very good defensive partnership) but under Souness neither of them look bothered or as if they want to play.
As for Ramage - he is a very good young player and is certainly not letting the side down with his role. I disagree and say he is good enough for the prem.
Chopra is hardly a pile of w**k as he does a lot of running for Shearer and he gets himself into the box - it's just he's getting no service at the moment. Give him chances, and he'll score.
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Laura
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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So what you're telling me that Lee Clark, Peter Ramage, Albert Luque, Michael Chopra, these people can compete against Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Arjen Robeen, Cristiano Ronaldo, John Terry, Rio Ferdinand effectively and win games for us? The Newcastle players are not in the same bracket as the rest of the Premierships top players. We finished 3rd a couple of seasons ago, Now we are in 14th, the Premiership table does not lie. We've got an average team at a top quality set up. This is the poorest Newcastle squad i have seen in a good few years.
And for the record, due to work commitments and price and waiting list for tickets to Newcastle games i cannot make them, however i still watch the games on sky, and it most ways that is better.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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He'll go, Freddy Shepherd will give in, he's done it before with other managers. |
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Richard
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Laura wrote: |
So what you're telling me that Lee Clark, Peter Ramage, Albert Luque, Michael Chopra, these people can compete against Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Arjen Robeen, Cristiano Ronaldo, John Terry, Rio Ferdinand effectively and win games for us? The Newcastle players are not in the same bracket as the rest of the Premierships top players. We finished 3rd a couple of seasons ago, Now we are in 14th, the Premiership table does not lie. We've got an average team at a top quality set up. This is the poorest Newcastle squad i have seen in a good few years. |
I agree it's the poorest Newcastle squad for a season or two, but Clark and Ramage can hold their own, Luque will be a good player if was played in his favoured position and had a manager who gave a sh*t and Chopra is young and needs to learn. If he gets the service - he'll score a few goals.
And why would Newcastle be thinking about competing with the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd? Who out there would you sign (who would sign for Newcastle) who are good enough to compete with the likes of Gerrard/Lampard etc? Players of that quality don't grow on trees, and even when Newcastle were 3rd in the Prem and playing fantastically in the San Siro the best players in the world weren't interested in coming to Tyneside.
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And for the record, due to work commitments and price and waiting list for tickets to Newcastle games i cannot make them, however i still watch the games on sky, and it most ways that is better. |
Waiting list for tickets? Never had a problem getting hold of them myself. I'd disagree about sky, but that's another story.
Anyway - aren't we both agreeing that Souness is garbage? I think your being a bit harsh on the players that currently are at Newcastle and I think that if Souness goes and a decent manager came in the current squad would fair pretty well in England and would easily be a top half side and pushing on getting very close to Europe.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I know we're agreeing on the same thing. But with the chance we had to build on a good season and champions league football, we got rid of some of our best players, signed not so good players, got a sh*t manager and are now suffering for it.
We got Souness in when Blackburn were lingering in something like 17th place. I can't see Newcastle getting themselves out of this one, the damage is done.
Oh, and i thought Jenas could compete very well with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard, but due to SOUNESS and his poor man management we lost him too.
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Newcastle's squad isn't bad at all, that's the whole point. Look at the midfielders they have there, and with one more decent centre back and a fully fit Michael Owen they should be as good as the Liverpools and Arsenals of this world - In My opinion.
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