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I realise this probably won't help much but Rob Davies, a lad who was in my year at college, went missing in York on Saturday night and hasn't yet turned up. So keep your eyes peeled.
He's been to Bootham Crescent so don't hold being from Bury against him too much... |
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Have they tried the local 24 hour garages? He's probably buying some hob nobs....
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| That's some frickin Hob Nob addiction if he hasn't been seen for 3 days. Best tell the police to stop searching the Ouse though! |
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Maybe Luther Blisset needed an assistant scout? In all seriousness though, I do hope he's found unscathed. It can't be a pleasant time for family or friends and making light of the incident is perhaps a little insensitive.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, a lot of very good friends are understandably incredibly cut up about the situation. I just wish there was more I could do to help. |
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Nothing in the Press so far. Given their completely non-news coverage, you'd think this would warrant a headline.
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Helen
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Nothing in the Press so far. Given their completely non-news coverage, you'd think this would warrant a headline. |
Today's Press
Yesterday's
There was all of about a 5 second mention on Look North yesterday as well. It doesn't exactly seem to be top priority though, not helped by the fact that they seem to be suggesting it was just another pissed up student, so who cares eh. For the record, he's pretty sensible and wasn't that drunk.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| SimonClifton wrote: |
| Nothing in the Press so far. Given their completely non-news coverage, you'd think this would warrant a headline. |
I am sure there was something about this on Monday or Tuesday.
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| There was all of about a 5 second mention on Look North yesterday as well. It doesn't exactly seem to be top priority though, not helped by the fact that they seem to be suggesting it was just another pissed up student, so who cares eh. For the record, he's pretty sensible and wasn't that drunk. |
Sounds like a job for the frogmen.
You wouldn't believe how many of these cases end up in a body being fished out of the Ouse or the Foss.
And usually they are "accidental death" verdicts, how on EARTH can you fall into a river?!
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| I was talking to a friend who knows him quite well today and she was saying the same thing. It's so odd though. You could understand it if someone was off their face and decided a swim in the Ouse would definitely be an excellent idea, but he wasn't. |
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| I was talking to a friend who knows him quite well today and she was saying the same thing. It's so odd though. You could understand it if someone was off their face and decided a swim in the Ouse would definitely be an excellent idea, but he wasn't. |
A lot of young people of his age suffer the secret misery of mental illness though, usually depression. And they are pretty good at hiding it until it's too late. Obviously I hope that's not the case but something like 1 in 5 people in this country have suffered or will suffer some kind of mental illness and the young are particularly susceptable due to various pressures of growing up, peer pressure, family expectation, debt worry and generally learning to cope with the beginnings of adult life.
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| I was talking to a friend who knows him quite well today and she was saying the same thing. It's so odd though. You could understand it if someone was off their face and decided a swim in the Ouse would definitely be an excellent idea, but he wasn't. |
A lot of young people of his age suffer the secret misery of mental illness though, usually depression. And they are pretty good at hiding it until it's too late. Obviously I hope that's not the case but something like 1 in 5 people in this country have suffered or will suffer some kind of mental illness and the young are particularly susceptable due to various pressures of growing up, peer pressure, family expectation, debt worry and generally learning to cope with the beginnings of adult life.
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It can start very early too, especially in children who have 'extra' to cope with - children who care for their parents for example. We had some training recently on how to handle children with depression and it was incredibly thoughtprovoking. I hope Rob turns up Helen, for you and all his friends.
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| It can start very early too, especially in children who have 'extra' to cope with - children who care for their parents for example. We had some training recently on how to handle children with depression and it was incredibly thoughtprovoking. I hope Rob turns up Helen, for you and all his friends. |
That said, if he turns up safe and hasn't got a decent excuse as to why he disappeared for a few days, give him a firm crack across the chops.
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| Jards wrote: |
| A lot of young people of his age suffer the secret misery of mental illness though, usually depression. And they are pretty good at hiding it until it's too late. Obviously I hope that's not the case but something like 1 in 5 people in this country have suffered or will suffer some kind of mental illness. |
Shockingly Phil it's actually 1 in 3 people who will suffer a mental health problem. This can be a 'minor' illness like depression to a full blown psychotic episode. It's a very sad state of affairs. I hope gadgie turns up safe and sound - he might've just got lucky, you never know.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen wrote: |
| There was all of about a 5 second mention on Look North yesterday as well. It doesn't exactly seem to be top priority though, not helped by the fact that they seem to be suggesting it was just another pissed up student, so who cares eh. For the record, he's pretty sensible and wasn't that drunk. |
Sounds like a job for the frogmen.
You wouldn't believe how many of these cases end up in a body being fished out of the Ouse or the Foss.
And usually they are "accidental death" verdicts, how on EARTH can you fall into a river?!
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Apparently there's more than one instance of pissed-up people deciding to relieve themselves from the riverbank and falling in, although in Newcastle it tends just to be pissheads thinking it will be a great laugh to jump in (the main drinking circuit is along the river and the Swing Bridge joins up with the Gateshead bars / clubs.
The best/worst such example I heard was a story about a guy in North London who was found dead by the railway lines with his todger out but without a mark on him.... post mortem found a burn mark on a sensitive part of his anatomy; apparently he had pissed on the live rail.
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Just shown CCTV footage of him leaving a pub on Look North.
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maybe he doesn't want to be found ?
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Lost: the thousands of people who disappear in Britain each year
There are an astonishing 210,000 people reported missing in Britain every year. Many are never found. So where do they all go? Rachel Ford has spent the past nine months speaking to friends and families of the long-term lost, to piece together these mysterious, troubling tales
Published: 15 April 2007
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For all the talk of the "youth of today" having an easy life, there are a lot of problems that the young are particularly susceptible to. Phil has highlighted this same fact. Wasn't there a similar case of a 25 year old man going missing on his birthday a few years ago after leaving the White Swan? Lets hope the frogmen aren't required, it is a thoroughly depressing business.
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| For all the talk of the "youth of today" having an easy life, there are a lot of problems that the young are particularly susceptible to. Phil has highlighted this same fact. Wasn't there a similar case of a 25 year old man going missing on his birthday a few years ago after leaving the White Swan? Lets hope the frogmen aren't required, it is a thoroughly depressing business. |
You can read what you wish into these things but I do disagree with the assumption that the 'youth of today' don't have it easy.
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It's a comment made by a bloke seeing his days out at Rowntrees 20 years ago during a brief spell of employment there.
He could see the country going backwards towards a Victorian style of employment, where you turned up at the factory gates on the day etc.
But without the same personal problems of the victorian age - 24 hr drinking / drugs / no conscript army duty / NHS / education.
The only pressures evident it's mainly due to social system of material wealth.
Basically your a tw@t if you haven't got ........ or you don't conform to .......
This country has gone from a relaxed hard working place to a tornado.
Sundays are no longer 'a day of rest'.
Wednesday afternoons are no longer closed half day.
9 to 5 working hours a thing of the past.
Football has an highlight example in this - the introduction of Sky & the FA agreeing to play games every day of the week. As we know some days games rolling from 12 to 10pm.
Aspiration is a good thing but very few ever have the chance to have a yacht , villa in Spain, travel executive class everywhere, it's unobtainable for the greater.
So the modern alternative is to build a massive debt trying to do so & become a busy fool paying debt.
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| For all the talk of the "youth of today" having an easy life, there are a lot of problems that the young are particularly susceptible to. Phil has highlighted this same fact. Wasn't there a similar case of a 25 year old man going missing on his birthday a few years ago after leaving the White Swan? Lets hope the frogmen aren't required, it is a thoroughly depressing business. |
You can read what you wish into these things but I do disagree with the assumption that the 'youth of today' don't have it easy.
[there's a surprise ]
It's a comment made by a bloke seeing his days out at Rowntrees 20 years ago during a brief spell of employment there.
He could see the country going backwards towards a Victorian style of employment, where you turned up at the factory gates on the day etc.
But without the same personal problems of the victorian age - 24 hr drinking / drugs / no conscript army duty / NHS / education.
The only pressures evident it's mainly due to social system of material wealth.
Basically your a tw@t if you haven't got ........ or you don't conform to .......
This country has gone from a relaxed hard working place to a tornado.
Sundays are no longer 'a day of rest'.
Wednesday afternoons are no longer closed half day.
9 to 5 working hours a thing of the past.
Football has an highlight example in this - the introduction of Sky & the FA agreeing to play games every day of the week. As we know some days games rolling from 12 to 10pm.
Aspiration is a good thing but very few ever have the chance to have a yacht , villa in Spain, travel executive class everywhere, it's unobtainable for the greater.
So the modern alternative is to build a massive debt trying to do so & become a busy fool paying debt.
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We're not talking about a married bloke working 60 hours a week with a massive motgage and car loan to pay off. It's a student who's only just gone back to his 4 hours a week lectures after 3 months summer holidays. His parents and the tax payer are not only subsidising his living expenses and education but also his beer in the students bar, if he, or any other student, cracks under this 'pressure' then he's got no chance when they finally complete their degree in childrens day time TV and have to start a real job in the local call centre for £200 a week.
Hope he turns up anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Really hope this lad turns up safe and well but I have a very bad feeling he wont.. Tragic. |
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| We're not talking about a married bloke working 60 hours a week with a massive motgage and car loan to pay off. It's a student who's only just gone back to his 4 hours a week lectures after 3 months summer holidays. His parents and the tax payer are not only subsidising his living expenses and education but also his beer in the students bar, if he, or any other student, cracks under this 'pressure' then he's got no chance when they finally complete their degree in childrens day time TV and have to start a real job in the local call centre for £200 a week |
My comments weren't meant on a comparative basis, i.e. being young is harder than x or y however it's not shits and giggles for today's youth. The realisation are that many will struggle to ever be homeowners under the current circumstances and the plethora of graduates (be it pop and crisp courses or not) makes competition for many jobs even more intensive.
Being a student is an easy life and I wouldn't say otherwise but for young people who are not fully emotionally and mentality developed there are a lot of temptations and worries out there. Debt, drugs, peer pressure and whatever can be severe issues and the desire to fit in or indeed, being lonely and away from home can be hard for some people. Not the case for me in my experience but at the same time it can be a problem for some. Experience teaches you a lot and if you lack that you cna make the wrong choices and things can soon spiral out of control. Also how is beer in student bard subsidised? Student Unions merely have a lower mark-up than other publicans/pub or bar owners.
With top up fees, loans and abolition of grants in many cases, it's not a cushy number and could be a financial millstone round the necks of those on weaker courses from rubbish institutions. Another reason why Brown and the labour government should not be pushing so many people down a route that is unsuitable and will not reap them the rewards they claim. Many instituitions should abandon 'academia' and tie up with industry and more vocational pursuits. That however is an argument for another day.
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We're not talking about a married bloke working 60 hours a week with a massive motgage and car loan to pay off. It's a student who's only just gone back to his 4 hours a week lectures after 3 months summer holidays. His parents and the tax payer are not only subsidising his living expenses and education but also his beer in the students bar, if he, or any other student, cracks under this 'pressure' then he's got no chance when they finally complete their degree in childrens day time TV and have to start a real job in the local call centre for £200 a week.
Hope he turns up anyway. |
Fair comment but depression, if that what has led to his disappearance, is a medical condition so it doesn't really matter how cushy his life is.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/display.var.1726297.0.police_recover_body_from_river.php |
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That's that then. Another young life wasted to booze.
RIP.
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That's that then. Another young life wasted to booze.
RIP. |
Just because he was on a night out at the time doesn't necessarily make his untimely death booze related. I think we'll have to wait for the inquest before we'll know, the police said they weren't looking for anyone else but whether it was an accident or not hasn't been established.
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That's that then. Another young life wasted to booze.
RIP. |
Just because he was on a night out at the time doesn't necessarily make his untimely death booze related. I think we'll have to wait for the inquest before we'll know, the police said they weren't looking for anyone else but whether it was an accident or not hasn't been established.
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Yeah, sorry. I should say it appears like (but not confirmed).
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