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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: The Manager's gone, Long live the Manager |
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According to The BBC
And apparently
Fabio Capelli is keen on the challenge.
I really don't have a fukcing clue who should be the manager. I appreciate what people have said about the necessity of an English manager for an English team- but who?
I think the FA's mistake was not taking Curbs before his spirit got broken at West Ham, which it has been IMHO
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So this new England manager? Any scandal on his private life? He`s picked the wrong formation and the wrong players already and he has`nt even got the job yet! You can feel it comming cant you!? 
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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I have lost total interest. Over hyped(the newspapers have to take some blame for that). I think we need to recognise that we are nothing special as a footballing nation. I think we should do what the French did many moons ago. Bring all the promising youngsters together and give them experience and see where that goes. Dont put pressure on them. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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No surprise he has been sacked.
I would also sack Barwick for incompetence and sack 90,000 supporters for stupidity.
Not a single one of those players should ever be given an England shirt to wear again.
As I said last night after a few beers, and as I still say today in the cold light of day, the police should be bringing charges against all of them for treason.
TWO BILLION QUID that cost the economy last night!
If I stole TWO BILLION QUID from the public purse I would spend a decade in prison. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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I would also sack Barwick for incompetence |
As meatloaf is currently singing on my radio (and he is, in all seriousness)
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You took the words right out of my mouth... Phil |
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think you may well spend a bit longer than a decade inside 
Then again just claim to be a one legged, lesbian, Rapist Muslim, Might only get 2 years and a bit of Community service.
Oh and last night saves me a headache or 2 over the next few months. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Nipped into Willy Hills at lunchtime. These are the odds you can get on those touted for the job:-
6/4 Mourinho, O'Neill
11/2 Cappello
16 Scholari, Shearer
20 - Curbishley, Redknapp, Lippi
25 Allardyce, Coppell, Jol, Klinsmann, Hiddink, Pearce
33 Wenger
40 Bruce, Jewell
Eriksson wasn't listed, but I'd heard on the radio that you could get odds of 100/1 on him returning to the hot seat. This price was BEFORE McClaren's sacking.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Scholari looks a good dapple. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt Big Phil would do it after the little taster of the English press he got last time. He's lucky- most prospective managers don't have any idea how bad it gets before it actually happens and they're in the job. He got to try before he bought and, unsurprisingly left the shop empty handed (to carry the metaphor to its illogical conclusion)
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Wonder what odds you would get for Martin Jol??? Well if Shearer is in their...... 
Mourinho would be ideal but i doubt the FA could afford him after Erikssons and Mclarens handshake. |
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Personally I think Redknapp is worth a shout, he's the best of the English Managers. Sadly his alleged love of brown envelopes may rule him out, although the FA did sanction Venables' return. As for Shearer, he would be the worst possible choice. The more experienced coach he'd need alongside him may as well get the nod ahead of him. I think Venables' is likely to become the Republic boss now and McClaren could well end up managing Birmingham City when Bruce leaves.
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McClaren could well end up managing Birmingham City when Bruce leaves. |
Tend to disagree. I think it will be a while until we see McClaren managing again. After all the negative publicity he's receiving folliwng his sacking, I doubt that any chairman would want to risk appointing him, due to the fact that many fans of clubs would rebel against his appointment, and probably for the fact that he's simply not very good...
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Who cares who we get in? It wont change a thing, we'll still be stuck with the same set of players who don't give a f**k and see turning out for the national side as an extra payday, as opposed to something their proud to do.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Tommi_J wrote: |
AllModCons wrote: |
McClaren could well end up managing Birmingham City when Bruce leaves. |
Tend to disagree. I think it will be a while until we see McClaren managing again. After all the negative publicity he's receiving folliwng his sacking, I doubt that any chairman would want to risk appointing him, due to the fact that many fans of clubs would rebel against his appointment, and probably for the fact that he's simply not very good...
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I cant understand these managers who get the boot in the top leagues. They get these massive payoffs after making themselfes look a right royal tit and within days they are chomping at the bit to once again make themselfes look daft. I would quite happily retire and live off the cash.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I think we need someone who'll really put a rocket up the ar*e of the players. The last few managers have all been wet blankets and it's obvious that the chance to play at major tournaments isn't enough to motivate these players. So Mourinho or Scolari would be the ideal choice...or McEwan? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think you mean Cockers. 
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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DALEY MAYALL of YE PEST wrote: |
6/4 Mourinho, O'Neill
11/2 Cappello
16 Scholari, Shearer
20 - Curbishley, Redknapp, Lippi
25 Allardyce, Coppell, Jol, Klinsmann, Hiddink, Pearce
33 Wenger
40 Bruce, Jewell
Eriksson wasn't listed, but I'd heard on the radio that you could get odds of 100/1 on him returning to the hot seat. This price was BEFORE McClaren's sacking. |
My thoughts on who might be worth a punt:-
Mourinho - would be a very controversial choice. Maybe too outspoken for the FA, and a sh*t-stirrer. (Think back to the lying incident re. seeing ref Frisk enter opposing dressing room.) Can't see him getting it. The ladies would love seeing his face in the papers again though.
O'Neill - wasn't considered good enough when McClaren was appointed, has much changed? Would be a popular British choice though.
Shearer - No experience at managerial level counts against. Huge risk if appointed.
Scholari - Forget it. Another risky appointment and a temperamental bloke. Likes punching opposing players. Would the FA have that? No.
Curbishley - Has publicly stated in the papers this week that he wouldn't want the job if approached. Said his chance was when interviewed last time around when one FA official didn't even turn up for his interview. Staying at WHU.
Cappello - Available. Been there and bought the T-Shirt. Would the FA appoint a foreigner again? They have suggested they are open-minded, so yes.
Hiddink - Why would he leave a Russian team he has just guided to Euro 2008? Don't think so.
Pearce - Possibly the manager after next. Passionate, English, but still learning the ropes guiding England at U21 level. His time will come.
Allardyce - Ruling himself out, according to the BBC. Unfinished work at Newky and the 'cloud' of suspicion re. taking bungs maybe lingers.
Coppell - English. Well-spoken and thought of. Clean-cut image. His teams like to play football. Good credentials across the board. Worth a fiver at 25/1!
Jol - Likeable, but really?!
Wenger - Creating another fabulous side at Arsenal. Would you leave a club full of talented, young, (foreign) footballers for the chance to manage a side with an Englishman in it? Forget it!
Bruce - Has just signed up (or has he?) at Wigan. A compensation claim by his former employers Birmingham is holding up his appointment. Something else afoot? Maybe shouldn't read too much into it. Reasonable track record and respected figure in the game. Odds reflect his chances though.
Redknapp - Capable of shaping a bunch of misfits into a decent outfit. Respected, experienced manager at club level and English to boot. The spectre of alleged shady deals/bungs in past transfers may count against him, but don't rule him out.
Lippi - Former Italian WC-winning manager. Don't know what he's up to now, but he's a name people will be familiar with and someone who has been in the game long enough to command instant respect.
Jewell - An outside bet, has proved he can motivate a team not expected to do much in the Premier League. No experience at international level will surely count against him though, as will his Scouse accent. 
Klinsmann - A German in charge of the England team? Give over!
Eriksson - The FA wouldn't touch him with a barge-pole. Would they? 
McEwan - Outspoken, brash and never wrong. Often critical of his players in public. Tactically naive and unsure what his best team is.............My God, why isn't this man on the shortlist? 
I'm having a punt on COPPELL and REDKNAPP as decent outside bets.
Does CAPPELLO speak English? Other dosh on him if he does.
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Seems a number of ex England players are mooting the idea of giving Hoddle another chance.
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Seems a number of ex England players are mooting the idea of giving Hoddle another chance. |
Now you mention it, I did read about Paul Ince suggestion Glenneth today. No odds on him at Hills' though. Maybe worth asking for a price! Don't forget he left because of reasons unrelated to football last time around too, so FA might have forgiven him.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Probably won't get it but Coppell would be a popular choice IMO.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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The Steve Bruce delay all seems a little suspicious.
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O'Neill - wasn't considered good enough when McClaren was appointed, has much changed? Would be a popular British choice though.
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I hope he doesn't get it, just so that particular can of worms doesn't get opened.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I hope he doesn't get it, just so that particular can of worms doesn't get opened. |
He has "ruled himself out" apparently. Which is a common theme from all those like Allardyce and Curbishley and the others who went round making fools of themselves by telling the media about their interviews for the job last time round!
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Tommi_J wrote: |
AllModCons wrote: |
McClaren could well end up managing Birmingham City when Bruce leaves. |
Tend to disagree. I think it will be a while until we see McClaren managing again. After all the negative publicity he's receiving folliwng his sacking, I doubt that any chairman would want to risk appointing him, due to the fact that many fans of clubs would rebel against his appointment, and probably for the fact that he's simply not very good...
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The Blues have pretty much offered the job to any big name coach they can and been knocked back. McClaren may think he'll get better offers but if he's realistic a club like Birmingham City is probably his level.
I can't believe that Hoddle has been touted again, I thought his coaching methods were criticised by his players at the time? IIRC he seemed to spend as much time as the players on ball skills and trying to show them up. He's not the worst choice but if it has to be English I think Coppell is the only unblemished name on the list. An articulate and likeable chap. Coaching wise, I think Redknapp is the best candidate and he could be used to "bring on" Pearce into the role, much like he is developing Tony Adams at Portsmouth. Redknapp needs to be that nothing untoward can subsequently come out via the Press. They'd certainly be after him.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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What, no Neil Redfern? 
I personally think that they'll sound out Capello, although of all the 'English' managers that have been listed none of them exactly fill me with optimism.
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Hiddink - Why would he leave a Russian team he has just guided to Euro 2008? Don't think so. |
He got Australia to the last 16 of the last WC, was offered a motza to stay but chose the challenge and the money in Russia. Did something similar after guiding South Korea to the WC Semis.
Guus thrives on a challenge (and big money) some may say England is a huge challenge, as was Russia...
Works miracles regularly with limited resources, so may see England as the big payout before retirement?
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: |
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He also took Russia to an under-strength Israel on Saturday and failed to 'mastermind' a result!
Two candidates for me;
Jose - won't take it
Redknapp - will take it.
Fully expect it to be Harry Redknapp and sooner rather than later. |
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I think Capello will get the job, and to be honest we will probably achieve what we did under Sven. He will qualify us easily, playing safe football. However this wont bring the best out of our players and when the chips are down we will be outplayed by technically better teams. Probably the old quarter finals thing for us.
Klinnsman & Capello are interested Mourinios not. Scholari & Hiddink are already working.
Allardyce & Coppell have already ruled themselves out.
Hughes has already tried International management.
Sanchez, Bruce, Jewell, Keane no chance.
The FA would like to chase Martin O'Neill but he will laugh in Barwicks face.
If we were to pick an English manager then a crack with Harry Rednapp. I really don't mind the bloke but he did f**k S'ton about and if he got it I would be happy for him although he always looks if he is due a heart attack now a days but ....
Would we qualify ... probably,
Would we win something ... probably not.
Would we play passing footy and wear our hearts on our sleeves ... definately.
He is like Keegan, only with a knowledge of tactics.
My feeling is still with Capello
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shaun wrote: |
He also took Russia to an under-strength Israel on Saturday and failed to 'mastermind' a result! |
There were a number of factors that were outside Hiddink's control having said that. Russia struggled quite simply because a lot of their players had been involved in a titanic struggle in the Russian championship which had only finished the previous weekend.
Had England performed poorly the weekend after half the players had been in a last day of the season clincher, loads of people would have been bleating "Why did they schedule such an important game so close to the end of the season?" etc.
Russia qualified against all the odds, the team rated 3rd even 4th in the group before it started, Hiddink deserves a tonne of praise for that.
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