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Caught the last few laps of The Canadian GP.
This Hamilton kid is pretty special - 6 podium places in 6 starts and the winner today.
On his way to becoming a superstar already.
Might be worth a bet on him now as the BBC sports personality of the year
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Was a fantastic Grand Prix, top entertainment, for those that didn't see it there was a huge crash for Robert Kubica (it'll be on YouTube soon enough!) and the monocoque (safety cell) split so he'll be lucky if he's still got both feet attached.
Hamilton is odds on to win sports personality. I've got £20 on him to be world champion this season at 30/1 from before the start of the season, so I've got my fingers crossed for that! |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Lewis Hamilton |
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Caught the last few laps of The Canadian GP.
This Hamilton kid is pretty special - 6 podium places in 6 starts and the winner today.
On his way to becoming a superstar already.
Might be worth a bet on him now as the BBC sports personality of the year |
F1 talent can be a difficult thing to judge because of the hopeless inequality between some of the cars. Lewis Hamilton does though appear at this early stage to have that little bit extra that sets champions aside from the also-ran drivers. It's also telling how he's racing on a par with his team-mate straight away, something the likes of Damon Hill, Coulthard, Jenson Button never managed.
Nailed-on cert for Sports Personality, though following last year's blatant fix, Prince Harry's success in the Soggy Digestive competition may see him canter to a royal double.
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Yes I think this kid could be the real deal. A kid in F1 who hasn't had the benefit of a privelaged background like most of the other drivers. This kid has got there the hard way and his Dad held down three jobs to be able to fund his racing as a youngster.
Difficult to judge because of the huge difference in the cars but I remember a year been shouted down because of my comments about Jenson Button after he had won his first GP in god knows how many attempts. Just goes to show that he and the likes of David Coulthard manage to get drives year in year out because of who they are not what they are. Hopefully that will start to change now.
I think there are more Lewis Hamiltons out there waiting to be discovered. At last F1 is moving away from it's eliteist policies. |
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Yawn... Anyone fancy a game of Tiddlywinks?
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| Yawn... Anyone fancy a game of Tiddlywinks? |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xuRqoxCF2S0 Yawn!?
What are you on!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Lewis Hamilton |
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Switched on for Coronation Street but had to endure the last few laps of The Canadian GP.
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Tell it as it is really is AD!
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| Yawn... Anyone fancy a game of Tiddlywinks? |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xuRqoxCF2S0 Yawn!?
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Oh, I see!!! You watch it to see if anyone gets killed!! Mindst you, you could probably do that on the M62 and everyone would think you were sick in the head! 
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The person saying it's boring has posted twice in the same thread in a few hours, and the only one to post twice on it so far 
Curiouser and curiouser !!
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| Yes I think this kid could be the real deal. A kid in F1 who hasn't had the benefit of a privelaged background like most of the other drivers. This kid has got there the hard way and his Dad held down three jobs to be able to fund his racing as a youngster. |
This and a post about England's turgid football in the space of a few minutes, you're in form! It doesn't seem to be a chip on your shoulder, more a heavy bag of potatoes.....
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| I think there are more Lewis Hamiltons out there waiting to be discovered. At last F1 is moving away from it's eliteist policies. |
The basic premise being that it's pretty hard to practice unless you have a high powered vehicle, which costs money, ergo those who participate tend to have a bit of disposable cash given that racing round a track at high speed isn't a necessity!
I'd quite like to go sailing round the Carribbean in a yacht but I'm not going to cry and wail because I can't! I'm sure I could sip Pimms and Champers and lounge around with bikini clad women as well as anyone. I'm not going to wail about "elitism" because it would seem an obvious point - if you don't have the cash you can't get involved. Motor racing isn't like the provision of basic, decent sports facilities and playing fields. Not everyone has a divine right to get involved.
Is medicine elitist? What with it's terrible attitude towards demanding gifted and talented individuals? Perhaps you want to pack in driving your white van and do a spot of open heart surgery?
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The basic premise being that it's pretty hard to practice unless you have a high powered vehicle, which costs money, ergo those who participate tend to have a bit of disposable cash given that racing round a track at high speed isn't a necessity!
I'd quite like to go sailing round the Carribbean in a yacht but I'm not going to cry and wail because I can't! I'm sure I could sip Pimms and Champers and lounge around with bikini clad women as well as anyone. I'm not going to wail about "elitism" because it would seem an obvious point - if you don't have the cash you can't get involved. Motor racing isn't like the provision of basic, decent sports facilities and playing fields. Not everyone has a divine right to get involved.
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Who's wailing  More the opposite I am simply implying that a sport like F1 cannot be taken seriously unless it is open to everyone. Lewis Hamilton was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth unlike nearly every other driver. So I think it is quite a nice story. What I do or you do for a living is totally irrelevant here getting into Medicine is based on how clever you are. I can say that with confidence because my Uncle came out of Third World Poverty to become a Doctor not because it was handed to him on a plate.
Lets face it F1 needs it. The sport is boring and needs someone to break the mould. Someone there for what they are not who they are.
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I am simply implying that a sport like F1 cannot be taken seriously unless it is open to everyone. |
How many schools teach tennis or cricket these days? How many inner City areas have grass courts or cricket pitches?
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Who's wailing |
The kind of person who uses phrases like:
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It's so cringe worthy it's untrue!
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| getting into Medicine is based on how clever you are. |
To a large degree, however one could argue that in this Country you would need to be able to afford the Uni fees (and "top-up fees) and afford to live. Then when you did qualify there would be no guarantee of a job and you'd have enormous debt and nothing to show for it but that's another story! To refer back to motor racing, you could in theory be a great show jumper but without a horse you'd be a bit stuck and would look like an ar*e jumping around in a field by yourself!
By it's very essence and nature Motor Racing is an expensive past time, you may as well complain that space travel is the preserve of millionaires! It's like complaining that they won't let you in Mitchellin starred restaurants when you couldn't even afford a glass of water! It's not a right!
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| I can say that with confidence because my Uncle came out of Third World Poverty to become a Doctor not because it was handed to him on a plate. |
That's an admirable achievement, it showed great determination on his part but why dismiss those you had it "handed to them on a plate" - as you yourself said, getting into Medicine is (partly) about how clever you are. Everyone is a victim of their circumstances, it's a sad fact of life. Your Uncle epitomises the concept that you get nothing in life if you don't work hard! The vast majority of well off people in this country have worked hard and been successful. Even a driver like Button has had to work to get where he is, if it was so easy then teams could give any random person a stack of cash and ask them to win them the World Championship!
There seems to be a great deal of bitterness: "what they are, not who they are" - for a sport you don't care for you seem to have a lot of opinions on it! Doors open for people for various reasons, it's the way of the world, you can either moan about it or take a leaf out of your Uncle's book and be proactive!
The two male role models in my family were both self made men for different reasons and their self belief and determination are always inspiring. Making snide remarks about people's backgrounds gets you nowhere! In life, everybody has choices. It's just that some of the choices differ.
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I'm not sure that the dedication and skills required to become a doctor are any less admirable than those needed to win a F1 GP, it could be argued that most of the people who set out to become a doctor actually do become one whilst the same cannot be said for every person who sat in a go-cart seat, hence the riduculous amounts of money they get paid.
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The person saying it's boring has posted twice in the same thread in a few hours, and the only one to post twice on it so far
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Just doing a little stirring, that's all. 
Didn't really work though.
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The person saying it's boring has posted twice in the same thread in a few hours, and the only one to post twice on it so far
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Just doing a little stirring, that's all.
Didn't really work though.
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It is Monday morning, and Phil's away, you did quite well considering !
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Bit harsh on Coulthard and Button there MC3.
Button won his first Grand Prix last season from THIRTEENTH on the grid, in a car that clearly wasn't as fast as the top 3 or 4 teams. That was a hell of an achievement. I'd put money on him giving Alonso & Hamilton a good run for their money if he was in a competitive car.
However, take nothing away from Lewis - he's very calm and assured, very confident of his own abilities, and actually genuinely talented. Not many Brits you can say that about.
I expect they will close the book on Sports Personality very soon - Lewis has got it in the bag already.
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Bit harsh on Coulthard and Button there MC3.
Button won his first Grand Prix last season from THIRTEENTH on the grid, in a car that clearly wasn't as fast as the top 3 or 4 teams. That was a hell of an achievement. I'd put money on him giving Alonso & Hamilton a good run for their money if he was in a competitive car.
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Guess we'll never know as Button's star is fading now. Several seasons in the sport and various bad contract judgements have left him in no-mans land.
Coulthard is a solid enough performer, but never good enough to trouble the championship. A good driver through years of experience rather than that extra bit of natural ability. Number two at Williams, and always number two at McLaren, admittedly to Ron Dennis's favoured driver in Mika Hakkinen, though in the hard world of F1 it's fair to suggest Ron Dennis knew what he was doing. Also, as the only driver I'm aware of to spin off on the parade lap as well as crash on his way into the pits, you have to wonder.
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| Button won his first Grand Prix last season from THIRTEENTH on the grid, in a car that clearly wasn't as fast as the top 3 or 4 teams. That was a hell of an achievement. |
On a circuit notorious for being difficult to pass at as well. Still a good driver, but Honda have gone backwards.
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Wouldn't that cause a huge pile up? Especially at the starting grid!
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Wouldn't that cause a huge pile up? Especially at the starting grid!
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Wouldn't that cause a huge pile up? Especially at the starting grid!
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Pole again for the US Grand Prix.
Can't say I'd be interested if he wasn't in it though. It's been crap for a long while now. Saying that I probably watch the majority of the races...summat to kill a couple of hours now I don't tend to work weekends.
The race last weekend was good though.
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There seems to be a great deal of bitterness: "what they are, not who they are" - for a sport you don't care for you seem to have a lot of opinions on it! Doors open for people for various reasons, it's the way of the world, you can either moan about it or take a leaf out of your Uncle's book and be proactive!
The two male role models in my family were both self made men for different reasons and their self belief and determination are always inspiring. Making snide remarks about people's backgrounds gets you nowhere! In life, everybody has choices. It's just that some of the choices differ. |
Fair enough AMC. I suppose your influence must be rubbing off on me. Since I spent many fruitless minutes arguing with work colleagues as to why Simon was the right winner of the Apprentice. I like a trier and enthusiasm no matter what their background
I do think though that Lewis Hamilton will achieve much much more than the likes of Coulthard and Button because he will have more hunger and desire, that maybe does have something to do with his background. Maybe because he feels he needs to prove a point because some people said he was only in team because of his skin colour. He is afterall the first black motor racing driver which kind of illustrates my point even showjumping had that Oliver guy.
I just don't see that with some sportsmen Button and Coulthard love the glamour. I don't blame them and yes maybe I am thinking you b**tards !
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I think people have almost forgotten about the racial aspect to be honest. At the end of the day, he's a Brit with genuine talent who has taken the sport by storm.
have to admit he's been incredibly lucky with his timing; he has started in F1 at exactly the time when McClaren have got their car absolutely spot-on. They were a very distant third last year, and if Hamilton had joined them then, and was missing the podium most weeks, maybe the story might be working out slightly differentlynow - who knows?
That said - you can't take anything away from him. The way he fought Alonso off this afternoon, when he (Alonso) had the lighter, quicker car was just brilliant, and it's good to see drivers going wheel-to-wheel again. As Mark Blundell said at the end, he just didn't make a single mistake all afternoon - not one.
Apparently various bookies are now paying out on Hamilton as Sports Personality of the Year!
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I'm no F1 fan but Alonso doesn't seem to be taking it very well. Seems like poor sportsmanship on his part. Shirley it's best for the team to have two top drivers to ensure they win not only the Driver's Championship but the Constructor's too?
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| I'm no F1 fan but Alonso doesn't seem to be taking it very well. Seems like poor sportsmanship on his part. Shirley it's best for the team to have two top drivers to ensure they win not only the Driver's Championship but the Constructor's too? |
I don't think finishing second, certainly not to your team mate, is a thing any F1 driver is going to be happy with. That said, Alonso's claims of a lack of support from his team, as he also claimed last year at Renault, suggest a whinger of Mansellesque proportions in the making. The move he made towards the pit wall today, if an indication that he thought he should be let through, was pathetic.
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| I'm no F1 fan but Alonso doesn't seem to be taking it very well. Seems like poor sportsmanship on his part. Shirley it's best for the team to have two top drivers to ensure they win not only the Driver's Championship but the Constructor's too? |
I don't think finishing second, certainly not to your team mate, is a thing any F1 driver is going to be happy with. That said, Alonso's claims of a lack of support from his team, as he also claimed last year at Renault, suggest a whinger of Mansellesque proportions in the making. The move he made towards the pit wall today, if an indication that he thought he should be let through, was pathetic.
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I wouldn't expect him to be happy but I'd expect him to not go public with such claims. If only to attempt to not look like a complete idiot, it basically makes it look like he can't handle competition. I know a lot is dependent on the car but even from my very limited and vague knowledge of the "sport" it seems that he's made quite a few errors of late which are more down to him than a lack of team support.
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| I'm no F1 fan but Alonso doesn't seem to be taking it very well. Seems like poor sportsmanship on his part. Shirley it's best for the team to have two top drivers to ensure they win not only the Driver's Championship but the Constructor's too? |
I don't think finishing second, certainly not to your team mate, is a thing any F1 driver is going to be happy with. That said, Alonso's claims of a lack of support from his team, as he also claimed last year at Renault, suggest a whinger of Mansellesque proportions in the making. The move he made towards the pit wall today, if an indication that he thought he should be let through, was pathetic.
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I wouldn't expect him to be happy but I'd expect him to not go public with such claims. If only to attempt to not look like a complete idiot, it basically makes it look like he can't handle competition. I know a lot is dependent on the car but even from my very limited and vague knowledge of the "sport" it seems that he's made quite a few errors of late which are more down to him than a lack of team support.
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Its a well known fact that Alonso hates loosing and even at Renault had hissy fits. However i think it may be down to the amount of media and public intrest in Hamilton. Every time he holds an interview the questions seem to be about Hamilton. Also Hamilton has been in and around Ron Dennis for around 13 years and will undoubtedly have the better relation. Alonso will not be at Mclaren next season imo.
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| Its a well known fact that Alonso hates loosing and even at Renault had hissy fits. |
Yeah, I had a guest lecture from the chief test engineer at Renault F1 about 3 years ago and he was asked who were the best and worst drivers to work with. He replied Michael Schumacher and Jenson Button were by far the best, worked really hard and always made time to get to the factory to thank the team went they'd had a good result. He said that Fernando Alonso and Gerhard Berger were the worst to work with, constantly moaning, never happy even when winning, and went off to sulk if people disagreed with them. This trait in Alonso appears to be showing itself again this season.
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