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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: Big Brother Racism Reply with quote

Think its about time that show had the plug pulled with all this racism scandal going on. Apparently "they only like plain food" "those bloody europeans are so hard to understand" taking the piss out of our cockneys accents... its absolutley disgusting, they should be kicked out. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Big Brother Racism Reply with quote

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Think its about time that show had the plug pulled with all this racism scandal going on. Apparently "they only like plain food" "those bloody europeans are so hard to understand" taking the piss out of our cockneys accents... its absolutley disgusting, they should be kicked out. Wink


I wet missen when I heard about that scouse b***h going on about that Asian girl's accent- try listening to the auditory mirror (or something) FFS. Shut your face and get back to pinching cars or whatever it is you do Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They all want shooting, especially Jade Goody. It's the only humane thing to do. It is a damning statement on society that she's earned £8 million!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its an even more damning indictment of society that a number of people actually see her as some form of role model to look up to
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They all want shooting, especially Jade Goody. It's the only humane thing to do. It is a damning statement on society that she's earned £8 million!


Its unfathemable to me, that Jade goody a "Celebrity" from Big Brother itself, is then put into "Celebrity" Big Brother... if there were any sense in the universe, she would come out of there, and not have a single job offer ever again. Would be quite fitting for BB to make and break her, so to speak.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weren't there a load of people who have been on reality TV in recent years coming out of there moaning that is has broken them, left them needing counselling and the like? The only question to ask there is what did they actually expect?

Even more ironic with Jade Goody is her latest money making ploy of a slimming video. What actually qualifies her to talk on the issue?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What actually qualifies her to talk on the issue?


She lost a couple of stone in recent years - but hardly a proffessional is she? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which she (allegedly) lost with £8000 worth of liposuction - just whats affordable for most of the people that she is preaching at!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sewnapart wrote:
What actually qualifies her to talk on the issue?


She lost a couple of stone in recent years - but hardly a proffessional is she? Rolling Eyes


The fat b***h didn't even do that. It was liposuction.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She also attempted the London Marathon, gave up a third of the way through and subsequently said her training involved eating curry and drinking lager. Given the number of fatalities and serious injuries incurred during such marathons (many of which caused by people running having had no training as well as high temperatures, de-hydration, heart problems) it wasn't a sensible comment. A public gagging order is required. Reality TV could give us a whole generation of kids who aspire to "make it" through Big Brother or by becoming a WAG.....

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She also attempted the London Marathon, gave up a third of the way through and subsequently said her training involved eating curry and drinking lager. Given the number of fatalities and serious injuries incurred during such marathons (many of which caused by people running having had no training as well as high temperatures, de-hydration, heart problems) it wasn't a sensible comment. A public gagging order is required. Reality TV could give us a whole generation of kids who aspire to "make it" through Big Brother or by becoming a WAG.....

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Well said. I think it is time to pull the plug on reality tv or certainly shows like Big Brother. I think last year they went too far with the Pete guy who had Tourettes. You are laughing at them not with them and I don't think that is morally right or should be the basis for people to make loads of money.

Still it is a free country but they have created a monster. It's a shame because when the BBC launched Reality TV in Castaway the guy who won it Ben Fogle is an intelligent guy and has done well for himself because of his talent.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AllModCons wrote:
They all want shooting


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As ever though there's no such thing as bad publicity - watch the viewing figures go up tonight !

I've always suspected there's a scripted element to Big Brother and nothing really goes on without the approval of the people pulling the strings behind the scenes.

It's always been a mystery to me why supposedly intelligent people watch it. Confused Take my sister - Uni graduate, decent job with local council, reads The Guardian (we're not that alike !) but watches both versions of Big Brother at every opportunity. Me and my Dad like to rip the p**h out of her about it but she explains it away as being some kind of valid social experiment about human behaviour and how people react when put in pressurised situations !


Yeah ..... right ! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A public gagging order is required. Reality TV could give us a whole generation of kids who aspire to "make it" through Big Brother or by becoming a WAG.....


Yes, that worries me no end. My sisters (14 years old) generation is growing up watching crap like Big Brother, which is, for all I can make out, a social experiment gone horribly wrong. (correct me if I'm wrong) and also other sh*t like "Laguna beach, the real O.C.", even the O.C. itself, they see the WAG's at this years world cup, they see their beloved pop stars (Britney, Pussycat Dolls etc) as, what the media spin is anyway, "picture perfect". They NEED to aspire to this. Then they see the O.C. and other such crap, where every kid is rich, good looking and athletic, and they think this is what they NEED to be. Thats when it gets bad. an unhealthy obsession with trying to live up to societies expectations of what is "pretty" or "cool" becomes harder and harder. It was as bad when I was at school, everyone wanting the newest trainers, latest footy kit etc. But its developed into something much more sinister.

Thats when kids get desperate, they get REALLY desperate. And it leads to horrible scenes. I've seen it. It's a damn shame that they cant judge themselves for what they can do with their brain.

And what the hell is with that advert on at the moment, some beauty / hair product or something along the lines of "It's what's on the outside that counts!" or something like that. Is that what it's come to? Thats not even disguised.. that's blatant, pathetic properganda-ish s***e. And they know it. It's scare tactics for My sisters' and the next generation of impressionable youth. And I truly hate it. Shows how far we've come as a race and society, sadly it's the wrong way. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Paris Hilton can get shafted too...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ignore them (like I do), they'll go away.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But a genuine social experiment as to how people act when trapped would not entail having TV cameras that everyone plays up to in there. Lets face it, its full of Z list celebrities wanting fame and one road towards that fame is to court controversy.

And as was said elsewhere, Endemol will no doubt be loving the way that the viewing figures have gone up through that controversy....

Now for anything really controversial I recommend the film A hole in my heart... just watched it and it was shocking in more ways than one
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a very true reflection of todays R&B.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tod morden wrote:
I think it's a very true reflection of todays R&B.



tod morden = Bitter big brother applicant reject.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is where I think Al-Quaeda and other extremist organisations should step in.

See, at the moment the extremists seem to be targeting the wrong people, armies, governments and innocent people. They have a beef with how western society treats their women, how they are portrayed in the media etc.

Why not target advertising agencies and those that promote the "If in doubt, i.e.lacking talent, remember that one maxim, SEX SELLS, so whore it up".

Our society is warped and we are being mind phucked, Endemol should be the first organization to suffer the sword of vengence.

As oyou cannot end want they could target big corporations, the Adibas and Nekes of this world.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yorkcityrobdob wrote:
tod morden wrote:
I think it's a very true reflection of todays R&B.



tod morden = Bitter big brother applicant reject.


Proof !
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is where I think Al-Quaeda and other extremist organisations should step in.

See, at the moment the extremists seem to be targeting the wrong people, armies, governments and innocent people. They have a beef with how western society treats their women, how they are portrayed in the media etc.

Why not target advertising agencies and those that promote the "If in doubt, i.e.lacking talent, remember that one maxim, SEX SELLS, so whore it up".

Our society is warped and we are being mind phucked, Endemol should be the first organization to suffer the sword of vengence.

As oyou cannot end want they could target big corporations, the Adibas and Nekes of this world.


f**k praising Al Qaeda Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frid wrote:
And Paris Hilton can get shafted too...


Yes she can, and very well at that- seems to have made a career out of it Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a general rule, courting controversy can do wonders for celebrity status. People like Pete Docherty who are famous for very little more than being a skag-head are proof of this, and even being photographed injecting drugs into an unconscious girl did no harm to his reputation. A truly damning inditemement of the values our kids are bieng brought up to accept.

However, certain issues seem to be beyond the pale, and I think that these 3 docile girls will actually suffer quite badly from all of this. Ironically, Jade Goody can apparently become famous and earn millions for nothing other than being fat and thick, but all of that can now be jepordised for what amounts to mild low-level ignorance. It's a fickle old world eh?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that Keith Vaz (no stranger to controversy himself) will raise the issue in the Commons, I'm not surprised that 10,000 complaints have been received as the transcripts and lists of events I've read make sad reading. What we must also remember in all of this is that the Asian community feel like they are being undermined by Society in general and this adds fuel to the flames of this debate.

Channel 4 have dismissed events as "playground bitchiness" but how many kids have endured similar taunts off the back of kids watching the previous nights TV and seeing that it's seemingly okay to make these kind of racial faux pas? We basically have a pram faced hasbeen, a painfully dumb young lady and a dim witted scouse model being the centre of attention of a prime time TV show and behaving in an inconsiderate, stupid and ignorant way. Channel 4, who have lost £70 million in advertising revenue can now cling to the fact that this may raise the TV audience but should commercial success come at the cost of the morality?

We seem to be regularly hitting new depths, the premise of the show is bad enough without actions like this. As Reg says, the one silver lining is that hopefully this escapade will bring about an end to the fascination with characters like Jade Goody. Perhaps though the fickle public will soon forget when this story becomes tomorrows fish and chip wrappers. Sadly the lesson it's teaching our kids will last a lot longer. Teddy Sheringham told his beau not embarass him whilse she was on the show, if only she'd listened, I hope the response when they leave will show will make the culprits think long and hard, if they're capable.

Has the balance of power and influence swung from the parents. teachers and day to day role models of kids to the fleeting celebrity of disposable pop stars, deposed Beauty Queens and reality TV stars?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But as you put it there, racial faux pas.... Everyone makes faux pas (mine with the in-laws have reached spectacular status) I'd say what was said was far more an undercurrent of nasty racism than that.

But will it really signal the end of the likes of Jade Goody? I mean its given more of a platform for her views at the moment, with last night being the 2nd highest ever audience for a big brother broadcast.

Technically, is there any chance of them being charged with incitement of racist behaviour, which is technically punishable by a jail sentence - upon leaving the house?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... but should commercial success come at the cost of the morality?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AllModCons wrote:
Perhaps though the fickle public will soon forget when this story becomes tomorrows fish and chip wrappers.


We were discussing this at work (yes, my job really is that boring) and we came to the conclusion that we, the public, do tend to forget Reality TV "stars'" transgressions relatively quickly. Most of the time we forget the stars themselves relatively quickly. However, Racism is a different issue. People in the public eye who have made a racist 'faux pas' (to quote sewnapart) are pretty quickly dumped (Jim Davidson anyone? From arena shows to WMCs in the blink of an eye).
Whether or not this was intended to be racist, how much racism is actually intended as such- I'm not racist but...
This is indicative of a nasty undercurrent of racism that exists within this country- how else could they think that this was acceptable behaviour for National TV?
One last thing- did that Jack call Shilpa the 'P' word or the 'C' word when they bleeped it out? Either way it was pretty uncalled for and shows him up to be an odious little man who is as bad as the three witches that seem to be getting all of the attention in this story.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen a bit of the show (not through choice) and have seen the "incidents" in question. Can somebody please tell me what remarks were made that were racist, 'cause I couldn't get one. Teddy's bit said she didn't like her touching food with her hands, and asked whether it was indians or chinese that do this. That's as near as it gets as far as I have seen.This "bitchiness" goes on all the time in these shows, but it seems to me because it's an asian they are bitching about, it is sudenly seen as racism. Of course nothing has been said about the comments the asain woman made herself that were as bad (or as not bad if you will) like "YOU PEOPLE only eat plain food!" etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course nothing has been said about the comments the asain woman made herself that were as bad (or as not bad if you will) like "YOU PEOPLE only eat plain food!" etc.


And that Jermaine Jackson calling Jades family 'white trash', which whatever peoples opinion of her and her family, is surely racist if all this other stuff is?
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