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MrPeaks
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Cricket Test Match Cancelled |
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Perhaps they should have just told Pietersen to stop hitting the ball into the stands!
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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From what I heard, not returning to the field is a forfeit anyway. 
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MarkW
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Complicated situation as most controversial incidents are. The umpires may well have over-reacted regarding the alleged ball tampering, but then the "protest" by Pakistan was just a joke. They knew fine well what they were doing and the sham - "oh, lets jog onto the field when everyone else has gone" was embarassing.
As usual the paying public were the real losers - £40 a ticket for many and nearly two hours without being told what was going on............  |
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AcombDave
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Well I suppose the allegations of cheating must be true as many (all?) of the team are Muslims!
(before I get banned for being racist it is a lame attempt at political satire)
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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MarkW wrote: |
Complicated situation as most controversial incidents are. The umpires may well have over-reacted regarding the alleged ball tampering, but then the "protest" by Pakistan was just a joke. They knew fine well what they were doing and the sham - "oh, lets jog onto the field when everyone else has gone" was embarassing.
As usual the paying public were the real losers - £40 a ticket for many and nearly two hours without being told what was going on............  |
Surely if you go to a cricket match, a full day's play is an added bonus. A few spots of rain or 'bad light' seem to hold things up more often than not.
And I wonder how many members of the cricketing establishment had been tutting over the last few weeks at the lack of a sensible diplomatic solution in the Middle East. Now they've got a sweat on over a game of cricket. Pathetic c***s.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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I liked the live interview on Sky News with a bunch of Mexican bandito England fans (who Jobi and I had been sat along the row from at Headingley the other week) - the reporter asked for their reaction only to get the response "Que?"
It's highly unfortunate but from what I can make out England are innocent victims in all this; it's all down to Hair and Pakistan.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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AcombDave wrote: |
Well I suppose the allegations of cheating must be true as many (all?) of the team are Muslims!
(before I get banned for being racist it is a lame attempt at political satire) |
Get out.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Darrell Hair = tw@t...
He was the one who caused all the troubles with Muralithuran, when he persistently no balled him in Perth some years back.
Even some Australians find Hair an embarrassing racist, yes he's that bad... 
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MarkW
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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PS - you take your chances with the weather and live with it when it stops play. Its another thing however when conditions are fine and the umpire causes a real rumpus and then one team (almost literally) take their bat home and refuse to play!
The communication to fans was a fiasco too - with no announcements and everyone trying to tune into TMS to find out why no cricket was happening! |
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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I can understand Pakistan being annoyed and particulalry so with regards to the lack of consultation with Inzamman. However I don't agree with the statement from the PCB that it is an "insult to their country" it's sensationalised things like that that politicise theses situations. Pakistan were warned about forefeiting the match and as Mark said, their jog onto the pitch was a sham. It's a shame that Waqar and Wasim allegedly got away it and this group of players have been labelled guilty and lost a game without proper investigation!
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Exactly AMC.
There are two issues here; firstly the ball tampering and how it was handled - most have some sympathy with Pakistan over this. Secondly - the Pakistan protest, which was nothing short of trying to ransom the umpires into backing down - understandably, most have no sympathy with this bit!
They should simply have lodged their disagreement and intention to appeal when the incident happened (or at tea) - then got on with the game and left the wrangling until later. Simple.
The guy in charge of their cricket board was way over the top, calling it a "slur on our nation" and then laughably trying to make out out the game being called off was all a misunderstanding of the umpires making! |
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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There's a subplot in that there's a fair degree of political "tension" within the ICC between the "Anglo" cricket associations and the "sub-continent" cricket associations, of which Pakistan have recently been at the forefront.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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If it turns out that Hair is unable to substantiate his allegations, particularly now the grey suits are involved, then is he finished whether he saw something or not?
Whilst I agree that Hair made a massive error yesterday, he did act within the laws of the game. The PCB chairman has said this himself.
How can anybody justify wielding the axe?
If they do, then it may indicate further the ICC typically favours the Asian subcontinent sides these days.
Given the damage done to the reputation of the game, there will be a strong temptation to find a scapegoat, in the hope that the stink will disappear with them.
Then of course you have Hairs fellow umpires to consider, what will they make of it all. They could all decide to walk out en masse if Hair is punished.
As for England, they need to keep their own counsel, get a replacement umpire shipped in for the one day series, and keep out of the politics. Cricket (and world politics) will be better served by them remaining as innocent bystanders in this.
A right box of frogs this lot has turned out to be!
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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A stupid descison I think fro him IMO. I mean, it's not like the ball doesn't get scratched like that after it's constantly been hammered onto the stands.
Ok so he felt he may have reacted within the laws of the game but he has no proof, he got the ball back after Pietersen had been smashing it into the stands and it game back with a bit off the side.
If he didnt see anything after that there is no way he can brand the whole team as cheats and he should have seen the immediate effects of his actions which he clearly didn't.
He shouldn't, and doesn't deserve to be a test match umpire ever again.
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MarkW
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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LA Metros Hockey Player wrote: |
A stupid descison I think fro him IMO. I mean, it's not like the ball doesn't get scratched like that after it's constantly been hammered onto the stands.
Ok so he felt he may have reacted within the laws of the game but he has no proof, he got the ball back after Pietersen had been smashing it into the stands and it game back with a bit off the side.
If he didnt see anything after that there is no way he can brand the whole team as cheats and he should have seen the immediate effects of his actions which he clearly didn't.
He shouldn't, and doesn't deserve to be a test match umpire ever again. |
I agree that he appears to have over-reacted and unless he has "proof" of ball tampering, he was a fool for making the accusation. The only bit I diasagree with you on is that the ball was inspected when Pieterson was out (it always is at the fall of a wicket) and there wasn't an issue with it then. So, whatever happened to it, did so over the course of the next four overs, during which time no sixes were hit.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Plus, if my team and I were accused of cheating I would be livid but I'd channel that into trying to win the game legitimately. I'd then stick two fingers up at those who'd wrongly accused me IF we'd not only won the game but been cleared. Taking a strop in the changing rooms does no-one any good. Surely professional pride comes into it? If it is an insult to your country then come out and give 100% and earn people's respect and admiration, don't sulk. Given that the rules of the sport have been adhered to, a cynic would say that they are now playing the politics card to escalate the matter further. With the underlying political situation as it is, that is a lazy and dangerous kind of thing to do. Let's have the matter investigated in the right way then provide the corrective action and get on with the game. Pakistan deserve to be deemed innocent unless sufficient evidence is found.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think that fact that this is the first time any side has forfeited a cricket match in 1800+ tests and 120ish years, probably says it all, in terms of the rights and wrongs of Pakistan's decision.
Its not like cricket is an uncontroversial sport; with bodyline, chucking, ball tampering, Kerry Packer, grit in pocket, unfair pitches and all manner of incidents over the years, Benauld is quite right in declaring it as THE most controversial by far!
And yet, until now - no-one has ever walked off and forfeited a game.......  |
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: cricket |
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if they did ball tamper then they r cheating i say banned the lot of them |
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: cricket |
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if they did ball tamper then they r cheating i say banned the lot of them |
and bring UKP back to fill in for them?
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I see that they are charging the Pakistani Captain - so we will see.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I see that they are charging the Pakistani Captain - so we will see. |
Does this mean we will get Phil back? 
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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No I understand that the ICC are blaming Phil for the ball tampering as well - Phil seems to get blamed for everything else
I suppose I get banned now Dee etc 
Anyway don't knock the mods - having done the job I know how difficult it is.
(Will that grovel save me )
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: cricket |
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cockers wrote: |
if they did ball tamper then they r cheating i say banned the lot of them |
Quite, but giving out bans willy-nilly to all and sundry for trivial things is not a proper way to conduct yourself. Even if the recipient is from a part of the world that is rightly looked down on (London).
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