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16ycfcjosh
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 Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Now Sven has gone |
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Well Mclaren in charge now. Got to make changes for start of qualifying for Euro's. I can't see it happening under Mclaren but I'd love it if we played in an attacking way, keeping possession, being patient instead of just giving it to Lampard to wack over the cross bar. Come first qualifying match, I'd like to see us start with:
GK. Paul Robinson
DR. Gary Neville
DL. Ashley Cole
DC. Rio Ferdinand
DC. John Terry
DMC. Owen Hargreaves
DMC. Micheal Carrick
AMC. Arron Lennon
AMC. Wayne Rooney
AMC. Steven Gerrard
ST. Dean Ashton
This system let's our two best players play in their best positions! Gerrard and Rooney, unlike tonight when Gerrard was on the left wing and Rooney up on his own.  Back four and GK unchanged. Two defensive midfielders, Hargreaves is brilliant defensively, high energy level always running and tackling, passing isn't great though. But Carrick's passing is top notch! Those two could work very well together, unlike Gerrard and Lampard Instead of playing some tiny striker like Owen up front on his own, or some bean pole who doesn't seem to be able to run, I'd play Ashton. His goal scoring record is good in the premiership, good in the air, brings other players into the game and holds it up well, has a bit of pace. Would do well I reckon.
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Tim Wills
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe you haven't found a place for Theo Walcott in your side !!
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16ycfcjosh
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Tim Wills wrote: |
| I can't believe you haven't found a place for Theo Walcott in your side !! |
He's on my sub's bench. He still won't have played for Arsenal so the opposition still won't have an idea what he's like.....
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ycfc32
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't hold your breath.
McClaren will take England back to the dark ages when we couldn't even qualify for major tournaments! Expect him to stick with the same old tried and failed systems and formations. Apparantly all the England managerial candidates were asked whether they would keep Beckham on as captain. McClaren said he definitely would, unlike the better candidates such as O'Neill.
Despite Sven's lack of ability to convert a successful team I think we will miss him once McClaren gets the job full time.... |
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Boris Carpark
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| ycfc32 wrote: |
| I Apparantly all the England managerial candidates were asked whether they would keep Beckham on as captain. McClaren said he definitely would, unlike the better candidates such as O'Neill. |
Must be one of the qualities the FA were looking for, its good to know we've got somebody like you to keep us up to date with the official FA line
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AllModCons
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Is this Steve "Yes Sven" McLaren, who had season tickets thrown at him by half cut smoggies but a few months ago? If there were awards for looking ponderous with a clip board he might actually achieve something. Second choice, if we wanted Scolari we should have waited....
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MacPhail
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| ycfc32 wrote: |
I wouldn't hold your breath.
McClaren will take England back to the dark ages when we couldn't even qualify for major tournaments! Expect him to stick with the same old tried and failed systems and formations. Apparantly all the England managerial candidates were asked whether they would keep Beckham on as captain. McClaren said he definitely would, unlike the better candidates such as O'Neill.
Despite Sven's lack of ability to convert a successful team I think we will miss him once McClaren gets the job full time.... |
I don't think things'll change much under McClaren - they should have had a clear-out and let a new guy bring in his own people and own ideas. You can only imagine McClaren will have a similar outlook to Sven.
Mind you, you REALLY didn't want O'Neill !
Could you stomach 90mins of long, high balls pumped in towards Crouch and a.n.other big useless striker because that's what you would have got ...
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MarkW
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Not sure what all the fuss was about trying to recruit the new man in charge before the world cup. I mean, I am not saying I personally wanted Scolari - but if the FA really did think he was the best man for the job, why not wait? |
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Tonys Twostripes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| AllModCons wrote: |
| Is this Steve "Yes Sven" McLaren, who had season tickets thrown at him by half cut smoggies but a few months ago? If there were awards for looking ponderous with a clip board he might actually achieve something. Second choice, if we wanted Scolari we should have waited.... |
Give the guy a chance. If he gets Venables in alongside him as to be the rumour then we might see changes. Some of them might be out of his hands. I would not be suprised if Beckham retires and maybe even Owen because of his injuries to concentrate on club football.
I would have like to have seen Scolari but I reckon that Steve Mac will be passionate about the job and this will transpire to his players.
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TooOldToPogo
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Tonys Twostripes wrote: |
Give the guy a chance. If he gets Venables in alongside him as to be the rumour then we might see changes.
I reckon that Steve Mac will be passionate about the job and this will transpire to his players. |
Getting people like Tel in to help him shows how clueless he is.
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MarkW
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: |
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The whole Venables thing was a shambles. In a perfect world the FA, who are hardly without skeletons of their own, would have looked the other way to Tel's business dealings and maybe we might have had a decent manager who won things these last ten years. It was like Clough all over again.
Add to that the way the FA have let money and the Premiership monopoly tear the heart out of the FA Cup and the general balance of the English Leagues and you have to wonder what the hell they all get paid for. Surely it cannot just be for getting freebie match tickets and shagging Rebecca Loos - any of us could do that if they asked nicely....... |
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AllModCons
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Tonys Twostripes wrote: |
| AllModCons wrote: |
| Is this Steve "Yes Sven" McLaren, who had season tickets thrown at him by half cut smoggies but a few months ago? If there were awards for looking ponderous with a clip board he might actually achieve something. Second choice, if we wanted Scolari we should have waited.... |
Give the guy a chance
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I will but he was second choice, is the FA wanted Scolari you pursue your number one target? Why should we settle for second best? It seems it was just a timing issue too, why the need to announce a successor so early? A total fudge. If it's all about giving the England team the best possible chance, then you pursue the first choice coach at all costs.
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DMN
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Not just Sven:
Beckham stands down as Captin
Fair play to him.
So whos next? Gerrard or Terry? |
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MarkW
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Not just Sven:
Beckham stands down as Captin
Fair play to him.
So whos next? Gerrard or Terry? |
Has to be Terry - only Rooney, Owen and Carragher would understand Gerrard!
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DALEY MAYALL of YE PEST
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| DMN wrote: |
Not just Sven:
Beckham stands down as Captin
Fair play to him.
So whos next? Gerrard or Terry? |
More like he's stepped aside before being asked to relinquish the role! I'd say he'd be lucky to start an England match anyhow - his days are definitely numbered. Oh, and John Terry the new captain for me.
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Bobby
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| ycfc32 wrote: |
| Apparantly all the England managerial candidates were asked whether they would keep Beckham on as captain. McClaren said he definitely would, unlike the better candidates such as O'Neill. |
That's presumably confirmed as bollocks now Beckham has "resigned" - in a statement prepared by Steve McClaren I'd expect.
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Terry to be the new England captain. Writing on the wall for Becks when it's announced that Terry is to give the team talk before last night's game, presumably because it's felt he will be a better leader of men and give a more motivating speech.
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tomowen
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| MarkW wrote: |
| DMN wrote: |
| So whos next? Gerrard or Terry? |
Has to be Terry - only Rooney, Owen and Carragher would understand Gerrard!
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Though to be fair the only words which Beckham says which most of us could understand are "you know" he mumbles almost as badly as I do.
As for Josh's formation- that's the reason the England team isn't decided by a telephone poll. As promising as Lennon is I don't think he'd play well in a free attacking midfield role from the start of a game against the very best and throwing three excellent attacking players together behind the one striker doesn't mean they'll play as well as all the players' abilities combined. I feel you're just trying to fit your favourite players in however possible; two holding midfield players I don't feel is very effective at the highest level as they are more likely to get in each other's way so a winger or extra striker would be a better use of the 11th man. Dean Ashton is a good Premiership class player but I feel Defoe is the better goalscorer who has been successful at a higher level than Ashton has yet.
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Yabba
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What is this "I'm retiring from international / Cartains role" BS ?
Who said you were going to be picked in the next squad anyway !
One problem with some of the over paid pre-madonnas, they actually just assume once they are picked, they are in for good.
Beckham should have stood aside far earlier, but for his own money making circus.
He's had good games but very poor to average of late. Noticed the roar for Lennon. And backed it up with his play.
But to sum up. Sven always too little too late, couldn't ever pick a decent squad. Beckham - rentboy who doesn't know when the games up. |
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MarkW
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Least Beckham makes himself available for selection - unlike Shearer who decided playing for his country was oh-so-much of a nuisance and packed in early, when his talents may well have won us something in the tournaments that followed.
Sorry - but retiring from international football to concentrate on club football smacks of everything thats wrong with the game. Forget giving something back and playing for your country - just stick to coining it at club level.
Beckham does not control the media circus that surrounds him - its just part of the territory. Whether his performances merit him being in the side is a matter of opinion - but you cannot question his commitment. Wish it were the same for all our so called superstars. |
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| MarkW wrote: |
| Beckham does not control the media circus that surrounds him - its just part of the territory. |
Much.
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MarkW
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| MarkW wrote: |
| Beckham does not control the media circus that surrounds him - its just part of the territory. |
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Sorry - am not going with the argument that he only plays for England to boost his media earnings. Thats just too "left at the lights" even for one of your conspiracy theories. I mean are you also saying Sven is on a cut and that actually Beckham is just an actor pretending to be a footballer?
Next thing, you will be telling me The Monkies were not a real pop group........  
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Janesy
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Shearer retired because he could not physically play for both club and country playing 60 odd games a season Mark W, his knees were knackered and he wouldn't of played for Newcastle last season if he had continued to play for England any longer.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Chips wrote: |
| Terry to be the new England captain. Writing on the wall for Becks when it's announced that Terry is to give the team talk before last night's game, presumably because it's felt he will be a better leader of men and give a more motivating speech. |
What happened to the Ray Winstone speech that he filmed especially for the occasion?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| MarkW wrote: |
Least Beckham makes himself available for selection - unlike Shearer who decided playing for his country was oh-so-much of a nuisance and packed in early, when his talents may well have won us something in the tournaments that followed.
Sorry - but retiring from international football to concentrate on club football smacks of everything thats wrong with the game. Forget giving something back and playing for your country - just stick to coining it at club level.
Beckham does not control the media circus that surrounds him - its just part of the territory. Whether his performances merit him being in the side is a matter of opinion - but you cannot question his commitment. Wish it were the same for all our so called superstars. |
He was physically unable to do both. I'm not Shearer's biggest fan but he was mediocre for both Newcastle and England when he had to play 60 plus games a season, his form only improved after his international retirement. Shearer was even more maligned than Beckham as he was the first name on the team sheet despite huge goal droughts. He also played for a team where the idea of him being rested was a no brainer.
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Tonys Twostripes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| TooOldToPogo wrote: |
Getting people like Tel in to help him shows how clueless he is. |
Why  He is wise enough to understand that he needs someone like Venables/Hodgson who are that Rare English Breed. Coaches who are respected abroad and have better tactical knowledge than most of the run of the mill English managers that this country keeps producing.
We can dream on about winning any Major Competition until the whole structure of the game is changed. By that I mean the way the game is taught even to youngsters. Too much empahasis on getting rid of the ball and winning instead of developing technique and skill.
The English League system is not beneficial to our National Team as well and what happened to the Proposed National Academy at Burton
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TooOldToPogo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Tonys Twostripes wrote: |
| TooOldToPogo wrote: |
Getting people like Tel in to help him shows how clueless he is. |
Why He is wise enough to understand that he needs someone like Venables/Hodgson who are that Rare English Breed. Coaches who are respected abroad and have better tactical knowledge than most of the run of the mill English managers that this country keeps producing.
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If he has to have Venables to tell him what to do then we should have picked Venables for the job and cut out the middle man.
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