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 Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: Cheltenham Festival |
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As we are only a week or so away from this years festival (most bookies will be going non runner no bet in the next few days) anyone got any fancies at this moment in time.
My only two ante post bets at this time are Detroit City at 40's in the Triumph Hurdle and Patriarch Express at 20's for the World Hurdle. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Cheltenham Festival |
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| down south wrote: |
As we are only a week or so away from this years festival (most bookies will be going non runner no bet in the next few days) anyone got any fancies at this moment in time.
My only two ante post bets at this time are Detroit City at 40's in the Triumph Hurdle and Patriarch Express at 20's for the World Hurdle. |
Any particular reason for your choices? 
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Always felt that Detroit City would make a good hurdler watching him on the flat for Jeremy Noseda.
Nice big scopey sort who after a disappointing hurdles debut has won at Sandown and Newbury since.
Unfortunately the best price you'll get now is 6's.
Patriarch Express won last years Cleeve Hurdle over the World Hurdle C+D.
Ran an eyecatching race on reappearance in the same race (which was transferred to Sandown) and was challenging stable companion Royal Emperor when stumbling after the last at Haydock last week.
If none the worse for that he could go very well with the likely better ground in his favour.
Still a bit of 20's available with Paddy Power. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Royal Shakespeare can be got at 66-1 still with a few bookies, as short as 25-1 with some for the Champion Hurdle. Got lucky with his last victory as leading horse fell at last, but worth a couple of quid e/w could get a place on his day. A bit like Monkerhostin who performed badly a few times but then came back and won at around 33-1. I'm not saying it'll win, but maybe a place. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| down south wrote: |
Always felt that Detroit City would make a good hurdler watching him on the flat for Jeremy Noseda.
Nice big scopey sort who after a disappointing hurdles debut has won at Sandown and Newbury since.
Unfortunately the best price you'll get now is 6's.
Patriarch Express won last years Cleeve Hurdle over the World Hurdle C+D.
Ran an eyecatching race on reappearance in the same race (which was transferred to Sandown) and was challenging stable companion Royal Emperor when stumbling after the last at Haydock last week.
If none the worse for that he could go very well with the likely better ground in his favour.
Still a bit of 20's available with Paddy Power. |
Much more informative. Ta. 
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| Oh well one out 2 aint too bad. |
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I'm encouraged that ITN are making a point of starting their reports with the news that nine horses have been killed at this meeting, before showing the winner of some race.
While I'm sure it was a point missed by the many thousands of drunk Irishman, watching their favourite midgets whipping frantically in the name of 'sport' - I personally hope the next fatality will be this 'festival'.
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I'm encouraged that ITN are making a point of starting their reports with the news that nine horses have been killed at this meeting, before showing the winner of some race.
While I'm sure it was a point missed by the many thousands of drunk Irishman, watching their favourite midgets whipping frantically in the name of 'sport' - I personally hope the next fatality will be this 'festival'. |
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| Chris_York1 wrote: |
While I'm sure it was a point missed by the many thousands of drunk Irishman, watching their favourite midgets whipping frantically in the name of 'sport' - I personally hope the next fatality will be this 'festival'. |
Horses love racing. A small number die racing - doing what they love, some from heart attacks due to the adrenaline, and some from falls. They do die though doing what they are bred for and what they love to do.
If you died from a heart attack, watching a space rocket take off, due to your rush of adrenaline, then you would die 'doing' what you loved, you would have died happy. Its the same situation with any sport, get things into perspective.
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| Chris_York1 wrote: |
While I'm sure it was a point missed by the many thousands of drunk Irishman, watching their favourite midgets whipping frantically in the name of 'sport' - I personally hope the next fatality will be this 'festival'. |
Horses love racing. A small number die racing - doing what they love, some from heart attacks due to the adrenaline, and some from falls. They do die though doing what they are bred for and what they love to do.
If you died from a heart attack, watching a space rocket take off, due to your rush of adrenaline, then you would die 'doing' what you loved, you would have died happy. Its the same situation with any sport, get things into perspective.
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That's a very well put point, but no one is on my back and whipping the crap out of me at the same time.
It is just my opinion and I'm in a very, very small minority of people that simply do not have anything to do with the likes of the Grand National, but the size of some fields (which I believe is the problem being noted with this meet - correct me if I'm wrong) and the design of some fences at the National (designed to bring horses down), leaves a very bitter taste in my mind. There hasn't been enough done to bring it down to fatalities to simply heart attack related incidents, too many are from the results of being brought down.
On destroying the horses in that event, I understand that, no other option.
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It is just my opinion and I'm in a very, very small minority of people that simply do not have anything to do with the likes of the Grand National, but the size of some fields (which I believe is the problem being noted with this meet - correct me if I'm wrong) and the design of some fences at the National (designed to bring horses down), leaves a very bitter taste in my mind. There hasn't been enough done to bring it down to fatalities to simply heart attack related incidents, too many are from the results of being brought down.
On destroying the horses in that event, I understand that, no other option. |
A number of Grand Nat fences were reduced in size a few years ago if I recall correctly.
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| Chris_York1 wrote: |
That's a very well put point, but no one is on my back and whipping the crap out of me at the same time.
It is just my opinion and I'm in a very, very small minority of people that simply do not have anything to do with the likes of the Grand National, but the size of some fields (which I believe is the problem being noted with this meet - correct me if I'm wrong) and the design of some fences at the National (designed to bring horses down), leaves a very bitter taste in my mind. There hasn't been enough done to bring it down to fatalities to simply heart attack related incidents, too many are from the results of being brought down.
On destroying the horses in that event, I understand that, no other option. |
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Often riderless horses finish the National, and other races, first, which doesn't really work if we're to believe they're doing it against their will.
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| DALEY MAYALL of YE PEST wrote: |
A number of Grand Nat fences were reduced in size a few years ago if I recall correctly. |
Thanks, that's good to hear.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris_York1 wrote: |
| DALEY MAYALL of YE PEST wrote: |
A number of Grand Nat fences were reduced in size a few years ago if I recall correctly. |
Thanks, that's good to hear.
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There's a lot of work behind the scenes that most people are unaware of. David Muir is the RSPCA's equine consultant, and has worked alongside racing bodys for over fifteen years to improve the safety of racing for the horses. For example, Hurdles are now padded so that horses don't get scratched when jumping them.
Fences at many courses are not now as high as they once were, ditches have been partially or completely filled in, and field sizes are smaller (there were once 66 runners in the Grand National).
There are about 14,000 racehorses in Britain currently in training, which are some of the best looked after animals in the country. Without Cheltenham and the like, this wouldnt be the case.
Of course, nine deaths are extremely unfortunate, but until the Jockey Club has looked into what the individual causes were, speculation is pointless - however, where lessons can be learnt, they generally are.
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| Chris_York1 wrote: |
That's a very well put point, but no one is on my back and whipping the crap out of me at the same time.
It is just my opinion and I'm in a very, very small minority of people that simply do not have anything to do with the likes of the Grand National, but the size of some fields (which I believe is the problem being noted with this meet - correct me if I'm wrong) and the design of some fences at the National (designed to bring horses down), leaves a very bitter taste in my mind. There hasn't been enough done to bring it down to fatalities to simply heart attack related incidents, too many are from the results of being brought down.
On destroying the horses in that event, I understand that, no other option. |
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Often riderless horses finish the National, and other races, first, which doesn't really work if we're to believe they're doing it against their will.
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Oh great, well if they finish first riderless then surely it's no advantage to have a jockey sat on its back hammering the f**k out of it then.
It's just a silly excuse for a load of pissed up old men to spend their Saturday afternoons. There's only one winner- not the horse, or the general public but the bookies and yet people still throw their money at them.
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Oh great, well if they finish first riderless then surely it's no advantage to have a jockey sat on its back hammering the f**k out of it then.
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They "win" because they arent carrying 8 stone on their back. The heavier the weight, the harder it is for the horse to win - the whole principle of a handicap race. 
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It's just a silly excuse for a load of pissed up old men to spend their Saturday afternoons. There's only one winner- not the horse, or the general public but the bookies and yet people still throw their money at them. |
Not sure if you saw the recently released figures, but its not been a good year for horse racing revenue if you're a bookmaker - lots of favourites winning (The same can be said for football betting thanks to Chelsea).
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There's nothing wrong with horse racing as a sport, it's just the wankers who come into town and wreck the place that piss me off when it's on in York. If they were "football fans" rather than pissed up Wessies and Geordies in suits then they would close the place down.
That said, perhaps I am mellowing in my old age as I fully intend to go racing for the first time in the near future somewhere like Thirsk or Wetherby and piss my life away.
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| Chris_York1 wrote: |
| DALEY MAYALL of YE PEST wrote: |
A number of Grand Nat fences were reduced in size a few years ago if I recall correctly. |
Thanks, that's good to hear.
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There's a lot of work behind the scenes that most people are unaware of. David Muir is the RSPCA's equine consultant, and has worked alongside racing bodys for over fifteen years to improve the safety of racing for the horses. For example, Hurdles are now padded so that horses don't get scratched when jumping them.
Fences at many courses are not now as high as they once were, ditches have been partially or completely filled in, and field sizes are smaller (there were once 66 runners in the Grand National).
There are about 14,000 racehorses in Britain currently in training, which are some of the best looked after animals in the country. Without Cheltenham and the like, this wouldnt be the case.
Of course, nine deaths are extremely unfortunate, but until the Jockey Club has looked into what the individual causes were, speculation is pointless - however, where lessons can be learnt, they generally are.
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Appreciate the information.
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There's a theme park in Devon that races sheep!
I (and the kids) found it much more fun than horse racing. That and they don't have jockeys - they tie teddy bears to their backs!
I see a money making idea now - I'll turn my back garden into a cat racing track! We've already got a purrfect "stable" of five cats - may as well put them to good use...
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