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Going back to your earlier post Dobbo, where you stated that West Ham had the quality to stay up, I fail to see this.
You mentioned Matty Etherington, who couldn't even hack it at a very poor Tottenham team, and Luke Chadwick. These players may have been half decent players in The Championship, but I doubt they will set the Premiership alight next year.
Paul Konchesky is a good signing I feel, as is Roy Carroll, and I think with a couple more signings, they could be in with a decent chance of staying up. However, I still don't rate Pardew as a great manager, and I fail to see where you get so much optimism from, even if you do support them. |
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You say Dobbo that the difference is that Norwich etc. had only one good player. Well to be perfectly honest I don't think West Ham have anyone as good as Johnson, Huckerby etc. Well Sheringham is still a class act but he is unlikely to make a huge difference on the pitch at his age. And to be honest the main reason why I believe West Ham will go down is because there are at least 17 teams better than them.
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| You say Dobbo that the difference is that Norwich etc. had only one good player. Well to be perfectly honest I don't think West Ham have anyone as good as Johnson, Huckerby etc. Well Sheringham is still a class act but he is unlikely to make a huge difference on the pitch at his age. And to be honest the main reason why I believe West Ham will go down is because there are at least 17 teams better than them. |
You talk bollocks mate. Sunderland were a good team last season, in a poor division. In a good division, they will struggle. West brom were VERY lucky to stay up, Fulham are consistantly inconsistant, Wigan will be a very poor side next year, Charlton are nothing special, Villa have no excitement to their game and like fulham they are inconsistant, Portsmouth can be a good side when they want to be, but most of the time they don't perform as well as they can. Theres 7 teams that i beleive west-ham will comfortably beat next year and IMO are better than.
As Sunderland showed 2 seasons ago i think it was, when they went down with 19 points i beleive, which shows they can't hack itin the premiership. Whereas west-ham went down with 43 points, the highest points total for a relegated team in a long time. Which IMO shows they were unlucky to go down, whereas sunderland going down with less than 20 points, is just laughable.
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| You say Dobbo that the difference is that Norwich etc. had only one good player. Well to be perfectly honest I don't think West Ham have anyone as good as Johnson, Huckerby etc. Well Sheringham is still a class act but he is unlikely to make a huge difference on the pitch at his age. And to be honest the main reason why I believe West Ham will go down is because there are at least 17 teams better than them. |
You talk bollocks mate. Sunderland were a good team last season, in a poor division. In a good division, they will struggle. West brom were VERY lucky to stay up, Fulham are consistantly inconsistant, Wigan will be a very poor side next year, Charlton are nothing special, Villa have no excitement to their game and like fulham they are inconsistant, Portsmouth can be a good side when they want to be, but most of the time they don't perform as well as they can. Theres 7 teams that i beleive west-ham will comfortably beat next year and IMO are better than.
As Sunderland showed 2 seasons ago i think it was, when they went down with 19 points i beleive, which shows they can't hack itin the premiership. Whereas west-ham went down with 43 points, the highest points total for a relegated team in a long time. Which IMO shows they were unlucky to go down, whereas sunderland going down with less than 20 points, is just laughable.
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Well because your opinion is different doesn't make my opinion bollocks, I could say the very same about your view. I still think West Ham will go down. You say Sunderland were a good team in a poor division, well West Ham only finished 6th so I don't know what your talking about there.
And Sunderland going down with 19 points two seasons ago....yes it was two seasons ago! Totally different team and manager now(well Mcarthy managed the end of the season when they were all ready down.) And again the West Ham team has changed, they don't have the likes of Carrick, Di Canio, James, Kanoute etc.
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West Ham will stay up methinks. We will see what happens when the season ends.
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| Charlton are nothing special, Villa have no excitement to their game |
Yet neither team ever seems to be in real danger of relegation.
I hope both the hammers and the black cats stay up this season as the east end and sunderland are both fanatical football areas, I was born in east london and my mum's a mackem and I have a lot of family up there.
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| Charlton are nothing special, Villa have no excitement to their game |
Yet neither team ever seems to be in real danger of relegation.
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I agree Tom. I fail to see how you can think that Villa or Charlton are in any real danger, with their repsected managers, and the quality they posess in their squad.
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Neither Villa or Charlton will be down near the drop zone. I would expect them to be around the bottom end of the top 10, maybe even challenging for a UEFA Cup spot.
I can't see Wigan staying up. Out of the 3 promoted teams I would say they stand the strongest chance of going back down. West Ham and Sunderland have quite strong teams and should hopefully do well. Good luck to Wigan though, I hope they can prove me wrong and stay in the top flight.
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On the subject of points Dobbo.
It is totally irrelevant.
Sunderland went down with 19
West Ham went down with 43
Totally different squads now, totally rebuilt teams, Sunderland went up by winning the league, West Ham were miles off.
The gap is getting even bigger between the promoted clubs and the already theres. All teams will seriosuly struggle. Looking at West Ham, they will struggle, the defence will get ripped apart. |
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Now his comment about points was bollocks! 
Totally agree there Rob good post, but I suppose Crystal Palace finished 6th and they nearly survived  Weird game football.
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Now his comment about points was bollocks!
Totally agree there Rob good post, but I suppose Crystal Palace finished 6th and they nearly survived Weird game football. |
Which league are you talking about Josh?
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The Championship when they got promoted, 2 years ago? Well they finished 6th I think and won the play offs like West Ham.
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I think that they will set the prmiership alight if they can stop goals going in and that is what they signed Roy Carroll for becvause they can certainly score with people like bobby zamora on the books. Come on West Ham
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someone who could not hit a barn door when at spurs.
He is no way Prem class and they might as well have Lee Nogan playing upfront for them.
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| I think that they will set the prmiership alight if they can stop goals going in and that is what they signed Roy Carroll for becvause they can certainly score with people like bobby zamora on the books. Come on West Ham |
People like Bobby Zamora? The guy who couldn't hack it at Tottenham? And others? which others? I see no player in that squad other than Roy Carroll, Paul Konchesky and maybe Matty Etherington who are Premiership class.
Alan Pardew is a poor manager. If WHU didn't have the support base that they had, and the loyal fans, then they would be nowhere.
Relegation Looms. Case Closed.
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someone who could not hit a barn door when at spurs.
He is no way Prem class and they might as well have Lee Nogan playing upfront for them.
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Yes, when he was at spurs, he was s***e. Like i said before he is a` totally different player now, faster, stronger and has improved his all-round game. He will do well next year, trust me!
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someone who could not hit a barn door when at spurs.
He is no way Prem class and they might as well have Lee Nogan playing upfront for them.
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Yes, when he was at spurs, he was s***e. Like i said before he is a` totally different player now, faster, stronger and has improved his all-round game. He will do well next year, trust me!
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The FL is so different to the Premiership. When at brighton he was awesome and never really regained that form, Brighton would have stayed up a couple of year back if he wasn't injured most of the season. They were on 3 points after 25 games and went down on the last day.
They will struggle, come out of it stringer, who knows, defenders needed.
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On the subject of points Dobbo.
It is totally irrelevant.
Sunderland went down with 19
West Ham went down with 43
Totally different squads now, totally rebuilt teams, Sunderland went up by winning the league, West Ham were miles off.
The gap is getting even bigger between the promoted clubs and the already theres. All teams will seriosuly struggle. Looking at West Ham, they will struggle, the defence will get ripped apart. |
Yes they are totally different teams, but you have to say so far, West-ham have made the best buys. Pardew has braught in some proven premiership quality player in Paul konchesky and Roy carroll. Sunderland and wigan have made some O.k signings, but none that are proven premiership quality. That is why i think Sunderland and Wigan will struggle alot more than West-ham will. I am not saying by any means West-ham will set the premiership alight next year and be up there with the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and Man.U because they won't. I am simply saying that West-ham will do the best out of the three newly promoted teams.
Also there a fair few teams who are allready in the premiership who i think will struggle more than West-ham will. Take West Brom for instance, they stayed up by the skin of their teeth last year and next year will be no different. Fulham will be the same, allthough from what i can remember, they were a long way off going down last year, i still think they will struggle badly next year.
Like tomowen says, I would like to see all three teams stay up come the end of next season, but IMHO only one of the three will and that will be West-ham.
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How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency.
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Carrol is a bad buy, he has proved that he is a dodgy keeper with spots of brilliance, but not the solid defence. Ok so West Ham do have some decent forwards. But will the supply from the centre of the park be good enough, There is a huge difference between the two divisions for players like Etherington, can they hack it? Only time will tell.
I actually feel that it will be a very close battle again and if West Ham do survive it will go right to the wire. Wigan will go back down and I feel West Brom will struggle.
West Ham will stuggle, you can go on and on about they attack but however good they are if the defence isn't up to it then they are dead on arrival, that was the reason why Norwich didn't stay up last season, great attackers, no defence.
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Nice to see a football related thread that hasn't gone off track.
My penny's worth: I think West Ham will just stay up, they are not new to the Premiership and have some old pro's who know what it is all about. Teams at the bottom rely on experience when it comes to scrapping it out in the relegation zone, West Ham have a few faces that can play the game and give the younger players a crash course in the way top flight football works.
Generally if teams can get one player who bags a few goals then they can nick the odd game against mid and lower table opposition, I think WH have such players. The Hammers like the big stage and there is nothing more prestigious at club level than the Premiership (league wise).
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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It isn't though, he is a second rate keeper, he has made far too many mistakes, Man Yoo would have wanted to offer him a new deal so he could be the backup keeper, he is poor and not good enoguh for the Premiership. DODGY KEEPER DODGY KEEPER.
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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It isn't though, he is a second rate keeper, he has made far too many mistakes, Man Yoo would have wanted to offer him a new deal so he could be the backup keeper, he is poor and not good enoguh for the Premiership. DODGY KEEPER DODGY KEEPER.
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He is far from a "dodgy keeper". The problem with all football fans is that everybody remembers every tiny mistake a 'keeper does, but then if a striker missed an open goal from 3 yards out, it would just get forgotten about after the game.
Roy carroll has had the same happen to him, he has not made any more mistakes than any other premiership 'keeper this season, and has proved that by being in the Man.U first team nearly every week. Surely if he was so "dodgy" then they would have bought a replacement, or used a back-up keeper?
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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It isn't though, he is a second rate keeper, he has made far too many mistakes, Man Yoo would have wanted to offer him a new deal so he could be the backup keeper, he is poor and not good enoguh for the Premiership. DODGY KEEPER DODGY KEEPER.
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He is far from a "dodgy keeper". The problem with all football fans is that everybody remembers every tiny mistake a 'keeper does, but then if a striker missed an open goal from 3 yards out, it would just get forgotten about after the game.
Roy carroll has had the same happen to him, he has not made any more mistakes than any other premiership 'keeper this season, and has proved that by being in the Man.U first team nearly every week. Surely if he was so "dodgy" then they would have bought a replacement, or used a back-up keeper?
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It is not one case though, he makes several mistakes but has got away with many of them, plus he only played half of the games as they could not decide out of Carrol and Howard who actualy was the dodgiest, they couldn't bring replacements in due to the transfer restrictions. I feel maybe apart from Howard he was the most inconsistant keeper in the league.
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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It isn't though, he is a second rate keeper, he has made far too many mistakes, Man Yoo would have wanted to offer him a new deal so he could be the backup keeper, he is poor and not good enoguh for the Premiership. DODGY KEEPER DODGY KEEPER.
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He is far from a "dodgy keeper". The problem with all football fans is that everybody remembers every tiny mistake a 'keeper does, but then if a striker missed an open goal from 3 yards out, it would just get forgotten about after the game.
Roy carroll has had the same happen to him, he has not made any more mistakes than any other premiership 'keeper this season, and has proved that by being in the Man.U first team nearly every week. Surely if he was so "dodgy" then they would have bought a replacement, or used a back-up keeper?
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It is not one case though, he makes several mistakes but has got away with many of them, plus he only played half of the games as they could not decide out of Carrol and Howard who actualy was the dodgiest, they couldn't bring replacements in due to the transfer restrictions. I feel maybe apart from Howard he was the most inconsistant keeper in the league.
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Nope, can't agree with you at all there. The majority the games that he played were mistake free, yes he made one or two mistakes other than the Tottenham incident, but they didn't matter. He is a good Keeper, and will be an assest to West-ham.
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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It isn't though, he is a second rate keeper, he has made far too many mistakes, Man Yoo would have wanted to offer him a new deal so he could be the backup keeper, he is poor and not good enoguh for the Premiership. DODGY KEEPER DODGY KEEPER.
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He is far from a "dodgy keeper". The problem with all football fans is that everybody remembers every tiny mistake a 'keeper does, but then if a striker missed an open goal from 3 yards out, it would just get forgotten about after the game.
Roy carroll has had the same happen to him, he has not made any more mistakes than any other premiership 'keeper this season, and has proved that by being in the Man.U first team nearly every week. Surely if he was so "dodgy" then they would have bought a replacement, or used a back-up keeper?
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It is not one case though, he makes several mistakes but has got away with many of them, plus he only played half of the games as they could not decide out of Carrol and Howard who actualy was the dodgiest, they couldn't bring replacements in due to the transfer restrictions. I feel maybe apart from Howard he was the most inconsistant keeper in the league.
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Nope, can't agree with you at all there. The majority the games that he played were mistake free, yes he made one or two mistakes other than the Tottenham incident, but they didn't matter. He is a good Keeper, and will be an assest to West-ham.
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Well no point going on about it now, we will soon find out. However dodgy keepers tend to make the bad mistakes at the worst moments.
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16ycfcjosh
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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It isn't though, he is a second rate keeper, he has made far too many mistakes, Man Yoo would have wanted to offer him a new deal so he could be the backup keeper, he is poor and not good enoguh for the Premiership. DODGY KEEPER DODGY KEEPER.
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He is far from a "dodgy keeper". The problem with all football fans is that everybody remembers every tiny mistake a 'keeper does, but then if a striker missed an open goal from 3 yards out, it would just get forgotten about after the game.
Roy carroll has had the same happen to him, he has not made any more mistakes than any other premiership 'keeper this season, and has proved that by being in the Man.U first team nearly every week. Surely if he was so "dodgy" then they would have bought a replacement, or used a back-up keeper?
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yorkcityrobdob
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| 16ycfcjosh wrote: |
| yorkcityrobdob wrote: |
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| yorkcityrobdob wrote: |
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| How is Roy Carrol a proven Premiership keeper? Did you not see the Spurs incident? Paul Konchesky is hardly what you would call a proven Premiership player either, he is good on his day but lacks consistency. |
That was one game, and it's unfair to knock him just on that incident. He is a quality keeper. He must be good if Man.U wanted to offer him a new contract for next season, the only reason he didn't sign was because he knew he would get first team action week-in week-out with west ham.
Paul konchesky only "lacks consistency" as you say, because Alan curbishly had a stronger player to play in Konchesky's position, so he didn't get a chance, like you say he is good on his day (when he gets a game) and he is more or less guaranteed a first team place at West-ham and this will benefit him.
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It isn't though, he is a second rate keeper, he has made far too many mistakes, Man Yoo would have wanted to offer him a new deal so he could be the backup keeper, he is poor and not good enoguh for the Premiership. DODGY KEEPER DODGY KEEPER.
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He is far from a "dodgy keeper". The problem with all football fans is that everybody remembers every tiny mistake a 'keeper does, but then if a striker missed an open goal from 3 yards out, it would just get forgotten about after the game.
Roy carroll has had the same happen to him, he has not made any more mistakes than any other premiership 'keeper this season, and has proved that by being in the Man.U first team nearly every week. Surely if he was so "dodgy" then they would have bought a replacement, or used a back-up keeper?
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I meant mid-season.
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