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 Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: City Chat Forum |
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| I know the City Chat part of the site is registration only, but why don't you let people even read the contributions without registering? What's the point? |
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acombred
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are having difficulties registering please let me know. |
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yorkcityrobdob
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Anonymous wrote: |
| I know the City Chat part of the site is registration only, but why don't you let people even read the contributions without registering? What's the point? |
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you didn't answer his question lozza.
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tommihird
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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He tactically avoided it there. Well done Laurence. 
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acombred
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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There are legal reasons.
There are people we'd like to keep out, as they have no right to be here.
I'll say no more, other than it should be fairly easy to guess which individuals they are. |
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Kingmouse
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: City Chat Forum |
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| Anonymous wrote: |
| I know the City Chat part of the site is registration only, but why don't you let people even read the contributions without registering? What's the point? |
What have you got to hide/lose by registering?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| There are people we'd like to keep out, as they have no right to be here. |
What a fascinating comment! I have never heard anyone say that someone has no right to READ a website. Bizarre. Glad you're not in charge of free speech in the country or we'd have a Thought Police.
I don't like registering. I just wondered why, like, say, rlfans.com ( a Rugby League website) you can't have a read-only site for non-registered people.
It wouldn't be so bad if the club got its own site up and running. Sponsored by a software company, but the only Conference side with no official website (nothing to do with you, I know). How much longer will it be "under construction", I wonder?
Anyway, thanks for the reply.
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Richard
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| What a fascinating comment! I have never heard anyone say that someone has no right to READ a website. Bizarre. Glad you're not in charge of free speech in the country or we'd have a Thought Police. |
You can read the website.
The difference is this a forum where you can put your own views down, and some people may make views that can bring legal action on the host of the forum.
Therefore, you register so you can be traced in the event of legal action needing to be taken.
Simple really.
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TooOldToPogo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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I've sent emails to a few people giving links to items on the forum but they've always been asked to register before even viewing. 
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ycst #351
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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When you register you agree to certain limitations you can make on the use of the material on City Chat.
No agreement, no right to read.
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Abel19
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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This guest wouldn't be someone from the other side of the Pennines who's been contantly blocked, would it?
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ycst #351
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| This guest wouldn't be someone from the other side of the Pennines who's been contantly blocked, would it? |
I wondered that, but the language isn't quite over-inflated enough 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| Richard wrote: |
You can read the website.
The difference is this a forum where you can put your own views down, and some people may make views that can bring legal action on the host of the forum
Therefore, you register so you can be traced in the event of legal action needing to be taken.
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Doh! How can legal action be taken against someone just READING a Forum? As I've said, there are loads of Forums you can read without registering, so I can't see the legal issue here.
And I'm not from Lancashire (ugh! - perish the thought!)
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ycst #351
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| How can legal action be taken against someone just READING a Forum? |
Wrong way round (and nobody has said that, anyway): a reader may wish to take legal action against a writer for libel, but registered readers agree not to take such action (among other things).
So the material on this site is not published (ie made freely available to any member of the public), but only available to members.
And there is a good reason for this restriction.
NB: I am NOT a lawyer, and none of the above may be interpreted as giving any kind of legal opinion or representing the opinions of the owners of this site, of of any members of teh forum other than myself.
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acombred
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| acombred wrote: |
| There are people we'd like to keep out, as they have no right to be here. |
What a fascinating comment! I have never heard anyone say that someone has no right to READ a website. Bizarre. Glad you're not in charge of free speech in the country or we'd have a Thought Police.
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This is a service provided free of charge to City fans. Such a service is not actually a 'right', it's a priveledge, and one that the webmasters are very happy for genuine supporters of this - and any other - Club to enjoy.
However, there are certain people who have treated the supporters of this Club in a disgraceful manner, and those people are not welcome here. Bandwidth doesn't grow on trees, is a finite resource and does ultimately cost money. I am not prepared for people who tried to destroy this Football Club, and this website, to access this site at my expense.
As for suggesting this forum is anti-free speech, you really need to check your facts. Many, many forums have far greater restrictions on what can be posted than this site!
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I don't like registering. I just wondered why, like, say, rlfans.com ( a Rugby League website) you can't have a read-only site for non-registered people. |
The vast majority of this site is available for non-registered people to view. The only area that requires registration to view is City Chat, and registration is free.
I could list many examples of websites that require registration. I could also supply examples where registration costs money (Some newspapers are heading this way with their online content).
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It wouldn't be so bad if the club got its own site up and running. Sponsored by a software company, but the only Conference side with no official website (nothing to do with you, I know). How much longer will it be "under construction", I wonder?
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It is my intention that this site be the best out of ANY in the Conference. It is my belief that it is among the best in the Conference and Football League. I am always open to suggestions on how to improve the site (although it is difficult to do without more volunteers). I believe that unofficial sites have the potential to be better than official sites, providing the Club's help out by providing information to the unofficial sites.
We're a fans-run club with an excellent fans-run website, which has virtually no advertising and remains completely free of charge to access. I think we can be proud of that.
I will continue to pay for this site and keep it open in its current form for as long as the Club doesn't have an official website. What would happen then, I don't know.
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acombred
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| TooOldToPogo wrote: |
| I've sent emails to a few people giving links to items on the forum but they've always been asked to register before even viewing. |
For topics on City Chat, that is the case.
For other areas (e.g. General Chat), then they don't need to register.
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TooOldToPogo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| acombred wrote: |
| TooOldToPogo wrote: |
| I've sent emails to a few people giving links to items on the forum but they've always been asked to register before even viewing. |
For topics on City Chat, that is the case.
For other areas (e.g. General Chat), then they don't need to register.
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Thanks for that, I didn't realise or appreciate the issues involved.
BTW I wasn't having a go at anyone I just wondered why it couldn't be accessed 
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Lardmonster
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| I will continue to pay for this site and keep it open in its current form for as long as the Club doesn't have an official website. What would happen then, I don't know. |
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acombred
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Lardmonster wrote: |
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| I will continue to pay for this site and keep it open in its current form for as long as the Club doesn't have an official website. What would happen then, I don't know. |
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I don't know what the Club have planned.
If a site that duplicated the contents of this site was created then there may not be a point to having both.
I don't think that would be the best way forward though; I think it would be best to have a basic site that had official news, contact details, online sales and leave the rest to Red and Blue Net.
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TooOldToPogo
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If I had a choice I would go for the independant site.
I'm sure an official site would be too well moderated.
I don't know what costs are involved but we should all be prepared to pay for this excellent site.
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think that York City FC not having an official website is a disgrace and it's no wonder we struggle to sell match tickets and merchandise, never mind the fact there is absolutely NO official news provided anywhere except once every 2 weeks in the matchday programme.
The lack of a website has been one major reason why fans have felt alienated due to a lack of concrete information.
We need official statements, news, match reports to be provided on a regular basis by the club for the benefit of both the supporters of York City AND for football supporters in general.
The sooner it all gets sorted out the better.
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| If I had a choice I would go for the independant site. |
I disagree I'm afraid.
Independent sites, in my opinion, come as an alternative to the official one and after. How many clubs in the country don't have an official website.
However, it is not a real "choice" as Red & Blue and an Official Site are totally different animals with different purposes to serve.
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Dynamo Kebab
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree that the club not having an official website is disgraceful.
But if such a website were up and running, I still feel there would be a need for this forum where views can be stated independently and unmoderated (in relation to criticism) |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Wrong way round... a reader may wish to take legal action against a writer for libel, but registered readers agree not to take such action (among other things) |
I didn't know that and it does alter my views, as I'm not someone who wants to harm the club - far from it, as I have donated money during the recent problems. It's just that I look at many football Forums and few seem as restricted as this one. If more people start taking legal action, maybe more sites will have to restrict access, which will be a shame.
As for an official website, this is highly unlikely to have a Forum as it obviously would not publish anything not in line with club policy, so would not replace unofficial sites. But for the club not to have one when it is sponsored by a software company is somewhat ironic. I know the club has more important things to concentrate on, but, as Ukranian Phil says, there are missed marketing and ticketing opportunities here.
Anyway, thanks again to all for the replies.
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TooOldToPogo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| UkrainianPhil wrote: |
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| If I had a choice I would go for the independant site. |
I disagree I'm afraid.
Independent sites, in my opinion, come as an alternative to the official one and after. How many clubs in the country don't have an official website.
However, it is not a real "choice" as Red & Blue and an Official Site are totally different animals with different purposes to serve.
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Horses for courses, for up to date club related matters obviously the official site would be best, but there couldn't be a true unbiased forum on the official site.
We should have both.
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ycst #351
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am Post subject: |
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I think (& hope) that AcombRed is refering to all the stuff that hangs off the front page that he, and a very small team of volunteers keep going.
For example, information about away travel, fixtures, player profiles.
This forum is not something that any official site could allow, and AcombRed deserves our thanks for donating it to the community.
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