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Apparently the 'fly on the wall' documentary about the BNP tonight contains some amazing revelations - includng the incredible fact that some of its members are racist.
The BBC only had to ask and I'd have told them that - I could have saved them a fortune.
Next week's programme includes some startling revelations about today's so-called 'footballers' - some earn quite a lot of money and many of them own at least one motor car.
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Sat down to watch this and the power goes off, power then comes back on moments after the programme has finished! 
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| Sat down to watch this and the power goes off, power then comes back on moments after the programme has finished! |
There's a message there somewhere sonster!
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I was disappointed not to hear a sample of "National Front Disco" played in the pub on the jukebox. Grrrr...
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| Sat down to watch this and the power goes off, power then comes back on moments after the programme has finished! |
There's a message there somewhere sonster!
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It's an Islamic conspiracy to piss me off! 
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Why didn,t they give the home addresses of the BNP members featured, at the end? Then we could have thrown stones through their windows and squirted dog poo through their letter boxes........
I want some FUN for my licence fee! 
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yes i had the b*****d power cut n all! (living a stone's throw form CityTillIDie). is it to repeated on any of the repe.....i mean digital chanels??
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The problem with dismissing outright the documentary and dismissing the BNP is that unless you highlight how ridiculous these nazis are, thick c***s will accept them as a real political party.
"show some pride in your country" cried one of the dopey c***s outside the nightclub, he then topped off this pearl of wisdom with a fascist salute. Irony is lost on these people.
Perhaps it was a fairly poor documentary but it did have a 'nice' rendition of No Surrender though, you may remember this as the song certain forum members claim is not racist and does not have fascist connotations
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| Perhaps it was a fairly poor documentary but it did have a 'nice' rendition of No Surrender though, you may remember this as the song certain forum members claim is not racist and does not have fascist connotations |
Which is a real shame because I doubt many people would disagree with the sentiments of "no surrender to the IRA", would they?
If you look at the actual words of the song there is nothing offensive in it whatsoever.
But I agree about its depressing connotations.
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A lot of people have always understood that the BNP are violent racist thugs, but a lot of people in recent years have been "persuaded" by the BNP's attempts to portray themselves as "mainstream" and "patriotics" rather than xenophobic Nazis. If it helped some people to see them in their true light, it was worthwhile.
Had to smile at Collett, who is clearly a bright guy, unlike many of his colleagues, for managing to get caught out by a hidden camera crew again.
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I loved the fact that they had those freeze frame shots of the party members with the name of the crime they'd committed on the screen and the evidence for it. I really hope the police do 'em.
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| Perhaps it was a fairly poor documentary but it did have a 'nice' rendition of No Surrender though, you may remember this as the song certain forum members claim is not racist and does not have fascist connotations |
Which is a real shame because I doubt many people would disagree with the sentiments of "no surrender to the IRA", would they?
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I wouldn't disagree with that sentiment. But then I wouldn't disagree with "no surrender to ETA" or "no surrender to Al Qaida" either.
The problem I have with the "IRA" song is that most of the thick b*stards who sing it - whether in the BNP or in the Longhurst - wouldn't have a clue about the history of the Ireland issue, and probably wouldn't accept that the whole mess is due to hamfisted British foreign policy stretching back hundreds of years...
Thanks for the correction, DL!
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do you mean wouldn't?
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Bang on Lardmonster.
What most of these folk who sing "no surrender" also seem to forget, is that over the past 10 or so years (not sure exactly how long), the loyalists have killed more innocents than the IRA. You dont get loyalist marches in York, but you get a hell of a lot in glasgow. Twisted scumbags with their orange sashes bringing parts of the city to a complete standstill. And it costs the taxpayer x thousands of pounds to have these marches policed. Just wish some folk could see the both sides of the story.
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| What most of these folk who sing "no surrender" also seem to forget, is that over the past 10 or so years (not sure exactly how long), the loyalists have killed more innocents than the IRA. You dont get loyalist marches in York, but you get a hell of a lot in glasgow. Twisted scumbags with their orange sashes bringing parts of the city to a complete standstill. And it costs the taxpayer x thousands of pounds to have these marches policed. Just wish some folk could see the both sides of the story. |
Yes, that's all very well but it's an ENGLISH song, not a loyalist one.
It was the IRA who were committing atrocities in Birmingham, Warrington, Eniskillen, Canary Wharf (the list is endless........).
The sentiments of the song to me are absolutely spot on - sticking 2 fingers up at the IRA scum - but there's no way I support loyalist terrorism just because I hate the IRA. THAT is twisted logic.
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How can you say its not a loyalist song? Every week in and out, the rangers fans sing that kind of cr*p. Point I was making, if you sing about the 'RA (no surrender and all that), you must also support folk when they sing anti-loyalist songs as well. Is that a fair assumption to make? For example, during a york game, after the cavemen stop singing no surrender, would it be justified to start singing about Ian Paisley being a fat..... Sure it would. Would it be tolerated in the Longhurst stand? I doubt it. I mean, when was the last time you heard English fans singing anti-loyalist songs? 
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Bang on Lardmonster.
What most of these folk who sing "no surrender" also seem to forget, is that over the past 10 or so years (not sure exactly how long), the loyalists have killed more innocents than the IRA. You dont get loyalist marches in York, but you get a hell of a lot in glasgow. Twisted scumbags with their orange sashes bringing parts of the city to a complete standstill. And it costs the taxpayer x thousands of pounds to have these marches policed. Just wish some folk could see the both sides of the story. |
No Republican marches up here are there Darius ?
There ARE 2 sides to the story ....... unfortunately they're both pretty much twisted, but most people fall on one side of the fence or t'other depending on their background.
As I do and, given your post, obviously you do too .......
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| How can you say its not a loyalist song? Every week in and out, the rangers fans sing that kind of cr*p. Point I was making, if you sing about the 'RA (no surrender and all that), you must also support folk when they sing anti-loyalist songs as well. Is that a fair assumption to make? For example, during a york game, after the cavemen stop singing no surrender, would it be justified to start singing about Ian Paisley being a fat..... Sure it would. Would it be tolerated in the Longhurst stand? I doubt it. I mean, when was the last time you heard English fans singing anti-loyalist songs? |
It's an ENGLISH song Darius.
I don't care about backward Scottish society, if the jocks kill each other over loyalism/IRA then that's up to them as far as I am concerned.
If trash kill trash then it's easy for the English to TAKE OUT THE TRASH.
It's when the IRA kill English kids, like at Warrington, that people like me wish death on the terrorist scum.
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Calling Scots "backward" and Irish "scum" somewhat undermines your case against the IRA, Phil.
You seem to be saying it's OK for Scots and Irish people to be violently attacked, but not English people, which is the sort of attitude which created the problem in the first place.
Don't forget it was "loyalist" attacks on Catholic neighbourhoods which sparked the troubles in the first place.
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Calling Scots "backward" and Irish "scum" somewhat undermines your case against the IRA, Phil.
You seem to be saying it's OK for Scots and Irish people to be violently attacked, but not English people, which is the sort of attitude which created the problem in the first place.
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I'm sorry Frank but the reason why places like Glasgow have these sectarian problems is because they are backward. That is the clearest explanation I can come up with!
I'm not saying that it's ok necessarily for Scots and Irish to be attacked but if it's people who are doing the attacking being attacked on both sides, then that's undoubtedly a good thing.
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Calling Scots "backward" and Irish "scum" somewhat undermines your case against the IRA, Phil.
You seem to be saying it's OK for Scots and Irish people to be violently attacked, but not English people, which is the sort of attitude which created the problem in the first place.
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I'm sorry Frank but the reason why places like Glasgow have these sectarian problems is because they are backward. That is the clearest explanation I can come up with!
I'm not saying that it's ok necessarily for Scots and Irish to be attacked but if it's people who are doing the attacking being attacked on both sides, then that's undoubtedly a good thing.
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Phil as ever could be a little more tactful but there's no doubt that there IS a sizable minority in {particularly} the West of Scotland who, in their minds at least, still live in Ireland during the 17th Century !
Hopefully time and the increasing marginalisation of The Church in Scottish society will erode the problem but frankly a lot of it is EXTREMELY deeply ingrained and you only have to check out the "FootyMad" forums for Rangers and Sellik to see just how paranoid some of them are ....
As someone once said ...... "Sectarianism, hatred and intolerance - where WOULD {Scottish} Football be without them !"
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Calling Scots "backward" and Irish "scum" somewhat undermines your case against the IRA, Phil.
You seem to be saying it's OK for Scots and Irish people to be violently attacked, but not English people, which is the sort of attitude which created the problem in the first place.
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I'm sorry Frank but the reason why places like Glasgow have these sectarian problems is because they are backward. That is the clearest explanation I can come up with!
I'm not saying that it's ok necessarily for Scots and Irish to be attacked but if it's people who are doing the attacking being attacked on both sides, then that's undoubtedly a good thing.
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Am I missing something here A.M.C.?!!
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Calling Scots "backward" and Irish "scum" somewhat undermines your case against the IRA, Phil.
You seem to be saying it's OK for Scots and Irish people to be violently attacked, but not English people, which is the sort of attitude which created the problem in the first place.
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I'm sorry Frank but the reason why places like Glasgow have these sectarian problems is because they are backward. That is the clearest explanation I can come up with!
I'm not saying that it's ok necessarily for Scots and Irish to be attacked but if it's people who are doing the attacking being attacked on both sides, then that's undoubtedly a good thing.
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It is clearly better than innocents being attacked granted, but I really can't believe that you think this to be true.
'Undoubtedly a good thing'??? This is what perpetrates the cycle of violence and retribution.
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Bang on Lardmonster.
What most of these folk who sing "no surrender" also seem to forget, is that over the past 10 or so years (not sure exactly how long), the loyalists have killed more innocents than the IRA. You dont get loyalist marches in York, but you get a hell of a lot in glasgow. Twisted scumbags with their orange sashes bringing parts of the city to a complete standstill. And it costs the taxpayer x thousands of pounds to have these marches policed. Just wish some folk could see the both sides of the story. |
I missed this at the time, so forgive the delay.
I attended this years 12th July & had a very good walk around all areas of Belfast. North / East / South / West .
You might not get loyalist marches in York but what I did see is a massive float within the parade with the crest of York hanging there.
Where do you get your figures from saying Loyalists have killed more over the last 10 years?
I visited all areas as I said.
The Falls area, we had to retreat due to the very unwelcoming nature of just walking down the road.
We also visited the East side of Belfast.
On arriving in the area, we noticed a cul-de-sac which had 45 to 50 foot fences all around it. This is called Clunan Place, a street which had burning fires in it's entrance. No one in, no one out was the message.
These people are being forced out by the innocent IRA supporters you mention. Through intimidation , violence & fear.
You say twisted scumbags who bring the city to a halt.
I was pretty surprised at this. It was pretty much shut but did find plenty of food shops open & off licences too.
Don't forget it's actually a BANK HOLIDAY too !
Just like the ones we used to have here, remember a DAY OFF ?
There's one thing you also forget to mention which is the most important, they show their pride in being British without flinching, also a very strong sense of commuinity and refuse to give that right up.
I say well done !
It brings light to those who are bullied by those who don't care or have no sense of identity in their own country.
The situation in ULSTER is very far from over it's just not reported any more.
I suggest those who haven't been get over there, £40 from Leeds, have a look for yourselves. It ain't pretty but don't be surprised if you feel like you've just walked into a strangers living room.
I suppose the policing of a bunch of gays round the streets of London / Manchester / Birmingham is more preferable or the policing of the numerous Hindu / moslem festivals being able to express themselves.
You bang on about democratic political parties, it's the likes of you I'd ban from having a vote.
Too f***ing right! NO SURRENDER !
P.S. - Already taking bookings for next years festivities , you can't beat the sound of a good lambeg.
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Bang on Lardmonster.
What most of these folk who sing "no surrender" also seem to forget, is that over the past 10 or so years (not sure exactly how long), the loyalists have killed more innocents than the IRA. You dont get loyalist marches in York, but you get a hell of a lot in glasgow. Twisted scumbags with their orange sashes bringing parts of the city to a complete standstill. And it costs the taxpayer x thousands of pounds to have these marches policed. Just wish some folk could see the both sides of the story. |
I missed this at the time, so forgive the delay.
I attended this years 12th July & had a very good walk around all areas of Belfast. North / East / South / West .
You might not get loyalist marches in York but what I did see is a massive float within the parade with the crest of York hanging there.
Where do you get your figures from saying Loyalists have killed more over the last 10 years?
I visited all areas as I said.
The Falls area, we had to retreat due to the very unwelcoming nature of just walking down the road.
We also visited the East side of Belfast.
On arriving in the area, we noticed a cul-de-sac which had 45 to 50 foot fences all around it. This is called Clunan Place, a street which had burning fires in it's entrance. No one in, no one out was the message.
These people are being forced out by the innocent IRA supporters you mention. Through intimidation , violence & fear.
You say twisted scumbags who bring the city to a halt.
I was pretty surprised at this. It was pretty much shut but did find plenty of food shops open & off licences too.
Don't forget it's actually a BANK HOLIDAY too !
Just like the ones we used to have here, remember a DAY OFF ?
There's one thing you also forget to mention which is the most important, they show their pride in being British without flinching, also a very strong sense of commuinity and refuse to give that right up.
I say well done !
It brings light to those who are bullied by those who don't care or have no sense of identity in their own country.
The situation in ULSTER is very far from over it's just not reported any more.
I suggest those who haven't been get over there, £40 from Leeds, have a look for yourselves. It ain't pretty but don't be surprised if you feel like you've just walked into a strangers living room.
I suppose the policing of a bunch of gays round the streets of London / Manchester / Birmingham is more preferable or the policing of the numerous Hindu / moslem festivals being able to express themselves.
You bang on about democratic political parties, it's the likes of you I'd ban from having a vote.
Too f***ing right! NO SURRENDER !
P.S. - Already taking bookings for next years festivities , you can't beat the sound of a good lambeg.
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No wonder the Irish problem isn't getting solved with half-wits like Yabba going to Belfast on July 12th of all days with the obvious intention of stirring up yet more hatred. And he seems genuinely surprised that he's not very welcome in the Falls Road.
I can just see him, strutting down the road in his bowler hat. He's not just a fool, he's a dangerous fool.
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Interesting that you previously denied any link between your avatar and loyalism Yabba.
Having lived in Belfast for a few years I would back Yabba's call to visit the place. And would point out the following;
It is pretty
The people are very welcoming, whatever their religious persuasion.
Don't go in July.
Avoid Englishmen waving flags-they're easy to spot because everyone is crossing the road away from them looking embarrased.
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No wonder the Irish problem isn't getting solved with half-wits like Yabba going to Belfast on July 12th of all days with the obvious intention of stirring up yet more hatred. And he seems genuinely surprised that he's not very welcome in the Falls Road.
I can just see him, strutting down the road in his bowler hat. He's not just a fool, he's a dangerous fool. |
WRONG !
All I can say is, you haven't a clue, & your summation is far from the truth.
The fact is the Republican areas were a virtual ghost town, you could tell which area you were in by the flags on the lamp posts, which I now believe have been removed.
As for waltzing around with a bowler hat ... twit!
You think the problem is me & others ? You should have seen the amount of backpackers & south asian tourists there. So get screwed !
I suppose we should have just allowed west indians to stroll around the Notting Hill carnival, at the time they weren't getting on with the white majority.
As for not being 'welcome' in the Falls area, the point is like it or not it is still the UK not North Korea.
As for 'stirring' up bother, funny that, the trouble didn't start until I was back at home.
But maybe we should all just sit in our houses living in fear of walking around , what should be a natural freedom to do in our own country.
But knowing the mouth brigade who go to York , wouldn't be able to keep it shut in such a place, look, learn & listen.
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| LondonVillageRed wrote: |
Interesting that you previously denied any link between your avatar and loyalism Yabba.
Having lived in Belfast for a few years I would back Yabba's call to visit the place. And would point out the following;
It is pretty
The people are very welcoming, whatever their religious persuasion.
Don't go in July.
Avoid Englishmen waving flags-they're easy to spot because everyone is crossing the road away from them looking embarrased. |
There is no link.
Well I did find everyone most accomodating, (barring west Belfast, newspaper shop). Belfast is a very small town centre to what you would expect.
The other odditity is it seems to have a newspaper for every other street, dependant on your perswasion.
I intend to revisit for a night out as I've been told it's pretty good.
My advice is to forget religion, stay in the city centre, get a photo of anyone 'waving flags' because it would certainly be novel.
I would strongly advise you go in July, just to soak up someone elses sense of tradition. The parade is out of the city centre by 1 pm anyway.
Say what you like, for my only crime is being LOYAL to club & country.
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