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CityTillIDie
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 Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:41 am Post subject: Euro 2004 betting thread |
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Plenty to go on here, my favourite being an e/w on Germany to win at 20/1 (1/2 odds first 2), always do fairly well at a tournament and we're World Cup finalists after all.
For top goalscorers, e/w bets (1/4 odds first 4 goalscorers) on Henrik Larsson and Jon Dahl Tomasson at 50/1 look well worth a crack.
France V Germany final is 25/1 ,while an England V Germany final is aptly priced at 66/1!
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My Money is on Italy at 9/2!  |
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Hate to admit it but we'll be on first plane home. England not to score at 66/1?
Can't see past France at 3/1, that's where my money will be, although agree about e/w on Germany, as regardless of their form they are a good 'tournament team'. |
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I've got a "cheeky" bet on Denmark to win it at 33/1.
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ian_christon
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As i think France are going to win Euro 2004 i have been to see Mr Ladbroke and have put this bet on:
£1 win Accumalator:
France to be tournament Winner @ 3/1
The top goal scorer of the tournament to be Thierry Henry @ 11/2
It to be France vs Italy Final @ 9/1
Top goal scorer and win Euro 2004 Thierry Henry and France @ 10/1
The Winner of euro 2004 to come from group B @ 7/4
Wins you £7,865 |
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El_pats
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:58 am Post subject: |
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As i think France are going to win Euro 2004 i have been to see Mr Ladbroke and have put this bet on:
£1 win Accumalator:
France to be tournament Winner @ 3/1
The top goal scorer of the tournament to be Thierry Henry @ 11/2
It to be France vs Italy Final @ 9/1
Top goal scorer and win Euro 2004 Thierry Henry and France @ 10/1
The Winner of euro 2004 to come from group B @ 7/4
Wins you £7,865 |
Thats a f***ing ace bet
Was this offered as a special or did you work it out yourself?
Might be worth a sporting investment 
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chriswade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Loads of bizarre bets around which look good value.
Firstly the short prices, make a nice accumulator.
Theres 32 games in the tournament, so the following low specials appeal:
Over 325 Corners in the tournament - 6/4
Under 115 Yellow Cards - 6/4
Holland to score 5 or less goals in total: 6/5
Euro 2004 Fastest Red Card, 30 Mins Or Less 5/6
Top Portugese GoalScorer: Pauleta 5/4
And a couple of bigger prices..
Rooney, Top Euro 2004 Scorer 33/1
France to get no points 100/1
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chriswade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| ian_christon wrote: |
As i think France are going to win Euro 2004 i have been to see Mr Ladbroke and have put this bet on:
£1 win Accumalator:
France to be tournament Winner @ 3/1
The top goal scorer of the tournament to be Thierry Henry @ 11/2
It to be France vs Italy Final @ 9/1
Top goal scorer and win Euro 2004 Thierry Henry and France @ 10/1
The Winner of euro 2004 to come from group B @ 7/4
Wins you £7,865 |
What b*llocks. 
Any decent bookie would spot the related contingencies in there a mile off, and not let you have that bet.
I'd be amazed if Laddies didnt spot that. 
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King 69
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| For top goalscorers, e/w bets (1/4 odds first 4 goalscorers) on Henrik Larsson and Jon Dahl Tomasson at 50/1 look well worth a crack. |
Are you avin a laugh? Jon Dahl Tommasson wont score more goals then Henry Totti Raul Owen Figo Inzaghi. He wont even score more then Heskey.
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ian_christon
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| Chris Wade wrote: |
What b*llocks.
Any decent bookie would spot the related contingencies in there a mile off, and not let you have that bet.
I'd be amazed if Laddies didnt spot that. |
How the hell can it be b*llocks when i already have it on
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chriswade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| ian_christon wrote: |
| Chris Wade wrote: |
What b*llocks.
Any decent bookie would spot the related contingencies in there a mile off, and not let you have that bet.
I'd be amazed if Laddies didnt spot that. |
How the hell can it be b*llocks when i already have it on
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Let me explain the rules of betting for you as you seem to not have read them.
A "related contigency" is where you have a double (or more) and the potential outcome of one part of the bet affects the other part of the bet.
i.e. If you had a double of "France to win the competition" and "the winner to come from Group B". If the first part of this happens, then the second part MUST have happened, giving it a chance value of 100%. The price of the bet would then be calculated as simply the price of France to win the competition - NOT the combined odds.
Or to put it another way. In the Euro 2004 betting we have
France to win 3/1
Henry to be top scorer 11/2
Now, 3/1 * 11/2 would be about 25/1 - but Ladbrokes only offer 10/1- Why? Because the two potential outcomes affect each other. Its likely that if France win it, then Henry will have scored lots of goals, and also that if Henry is top scorer, that France are likely to win it.
So looking at your bet, you've actually only got a double consisting of
"France to win and Henry to be tournament top scorer" with "Italy to be in the final". All the other things are related contingencies with 100% likelihood. So, you'd get the 10/1 for the france/henry thing, multiplied by the chances of italy getting to the final (not including france in the calculation). I'd estimate the price should be around 25/1, mabye 33/1.
Even if you've placed such a bet (must have some real muppet at laddies somewhere), they won't pay it out at the odds you calculated. You'll get about £25 or something like that. (They don't let muppets calculate returns). It doesnt matter that you've placed the bet, the rules still apply.
Trust me, I come across Related Contingencies every day - I work for a major bookies (not Laddies). You're not the first person to try and get something like this on by very long way.
As one more thought, imagine what would happen if these were allowed. You could bet on EVERY TEAM in the tournament, and double each one up with a bet on the winner coming from the appropriate group. You'd then be guarenteed to make a nice profit no matter who won the tournament.
If you have any questions on betting rules, I'll be pleased to answer them. Just don't go down to Ladbrokes in six weeks time and be surprised when you get about £7840 less than you expected.
Might be worth looking at IBAS (the indepenent betting arbitration service) opinion at http://www.ibas-uk.com/CaseStudies_3.htm
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Kroy
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Soooooo...........
If Croatia win Euro 2004, that means AcombDave can only win one lot of £40...........
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Euro 2004 betting thread |
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| CityTillIDie wrote: |
| Plenty to go on here, my favourite being an e/w on Germany to win at 20/1 (1/2 odds first 2), always do fairly well at a tournament and we're World Cup finalists after all. |
You f***ing traitor  
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shaun
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| Hate to continue the traitor theme, but France at Evens tomorrow looks a cracking bet, I'll be doubling that one up with Spain at 8/11, and drowning my sorrows with the winnings tomorrow night. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:17 am Post subject: |
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i got £10 e/w on figo to top score at 80/1. thats the first four scorers. always wortha goal and takes penalty's. comes in 4th top scorer, thats £200 for me
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Kroy wrote: |
Soooooo...........
If Croatia win Euro 2004, that means AcombDave can only win one lot of £40...........
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The laws of betting don't apply to AcombDave.
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Frank
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Euro 2004 betting thread |
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| Herman the Tosser wrote: |
| CityTillIDie wrote: |
| Plenty to go on here, my favourite being an e/w on Germany to win at 20/1 (1/2 odds first 2), always do fairly well at a tournament and we're World Cup finalists after all. |
You f***ing traitor
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...and I've put a fiver on England.
World turned upside down, or what
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AcombDave
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| Kroy wrote: |
Soooooo...........
If Croatia win Euro 2004, that means AcombDave can only win one lot of £40...........
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If Croatia win Euro 2004??????
You mean WHEN Croatia win Euro 2004
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CityTillIDie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Euro 2004 betting thread |
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| CityTillIDie wrote: |
Plenty to go on here, my favourite being an e/w on Germany to win at 20/1 (1/2 odds first 2), always do fairly well at a tournament and we're World Cup finalists after all.
For top goalscorers, e/w bets (1/4 odds first 4 goalscorers) on Henrik Larsson and Jon Dahl Tomasson at 50/1 look well worth a crack.
France V Germany final is 25/1 ,while an England V Germany final is aptly priced at 66/1! |
Larsson now down to 5/1 after putting 2 past Bulgaria tonight!
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shaun
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Hate to continue the traitor theme, but France at Evens tomorrow looks a cracking bet, I'll be doubling that one up with Spain at 8/11, and drowning my sorrows with the winnings tomorrow night.
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Not a bad bet! Softened he pain of our defeat on Sunday. Had a few quid on Greece at 6/1 too. |
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MacPhail
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Pretty good going so far .....
Won on Sweden Vs Bulgaria, Czechs Vs Latvia {although a bit of a close shave !} and Germany Vs Holland.
Took a bit of a hit Saturday mind you - really DIDN'T see the Greece result coming !
Next banker has to be Engerlund Vs The Swiss - DON'T see your lot slipping up against a pretty average Swiss team whose best player's suspended !
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shaun
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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I fancy it to be England 1 Switzerland 1, although from a betting point of view it's a game left best alone. My few quid for Thursday has gone on France 2 Croatia 0.
What a great tournament, better than the World Cup in many ways - big games from the off, unlike the WC, when you have Egypt, Saudi etc. Even Latvia looked a decent team. |
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