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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 1:53 pm    Post subject: Next Test - keep Strauss? Reply with quote

For me, you've gotta after the last few days. Very impressive. Vaughan back if fit - and the end of Hussain? Bit harsh after his ton today, but he's probably the weakest link in the middle order and Strauss proved he's got quality.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you drop Hussain after a hundred, 3 extremely good catches and a run out (his direct hit and not that of Strauss Wink )

I think we've now got an extremely competitive squad of 13 (Anderson as well) and players are going to have to be picked on form. Butcher will have to go for the next test - everyone else in the team knowing the pressure will be on and if they fail they will lose their place as well.

Its the first time in years that we've had genuine competition for places and a succesful side. The only area we are lacking is in the spin department. Any failure from the Batsmen and there's Collingwood and whoever is left out ready to come back in, for the bowlers Anderson is pushing very hard with some fine performances in the championship.

Bring on the Aussies!
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always thought Strauss was crap.

Chopin plays a much better sweep shot .....
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very tough choice, Strauss has to be retained and after Nasser's performance today it will be very difficult to drop him. What about Butcher? Or do his performaces in the Windies save him? To use an old cliche, it is a good problem to have.....
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should maybe lose a bowler since Hoggard didn't even bowl in the second innings.

I'm not saying drop Hoggard.

On a Headingley pitch though i would say drop Giles and keep Strauss I can't really see much at Headingley for spinners.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listening to Nass at the end on TMS tonight, he gave a strong hint he may announce his retirement after today's game. Not a bad way to go - better to go out on a high than risk a disappointing exit after being dropped, like Dazzler.

He's been a hero for England in recent years

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gster wrote:
Listening to Nass at the end on TMS tonight, he gave a strong hint he may announce his retirement after today's game. Not a bad way to go - better to go out on a high than risk a disappointing exit after being dropped, like Dazzler.

He's been a hero for England in recent years

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Very true, he can bow out with his head very much held high!

Struass looks to have a bright future, he must come from a hell of a jean pool Exclamation Wink Cool Embarassed Razz
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspected it might have been his last test match just before the match ended. Nasser scored 30 of the last 40 runs needed and it seemed very much that Thorpe was just taking singles to give him the strike.

I couldn't believe some of the C4 commentators yesterday suggesting that 282 was a bigger enough lead to defend. I actually said to the missus that they will knock it off for 3/4 wickets and now wish I had a cheeky £10 on this result.

It's also great to have Boycott back on TV thoughlistening to him, I fear he is not 100%.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Wills wrote:


It's also great to have Boycott back on TV thoughlistening to him, I fear he is not 100%.


His verbal jousting with Dermot Reeve made great TV, shame the Channel Four bosses stopeed it! I have to agree, he does not sound 100%
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no finer way to start the day than to turn on the television to watch England in action in the sunshine at Lords and hearing those famous words:

"Morning Richie. Morning Everybody"
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richiebenaud wrote:
There are better ways to start the day than to turn on the television to watch England in action at Headingley and hearing those famous words:

"The covers are still on here as it's absolutely pissing it down!"


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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that Headingley is a spinners graveyard, I would imagine Giles will be dropped and we will go with seven batsmen.

Unless Hussain retires of course.......
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkW wrote:
Given that Headingley is a spinners graveyard, I would imagine Giles will be dropped and we will go with seven batsmen.

Unless Hussain retires of course.......

Even so I'd go with seven batsmen anyway - if Vaughan is fit, he could bowl spin if it was desperately required. I can't think of the last English spin bowler to have great success at Headingley.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH f**k, SUMMER'S HERE........
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the bigger thing is the immediate dropping of Geraint Jones and reinstatement of Chris Read. Jones can't keep. I reckon he gave away about as many runs as he scored. I'd rather have Read scoring 20s and keeping it tight behind the stumps than Jones scoring 40s and giving 30-odd away in byes and dropped catches.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John_D wrote:
I think the bigger thing is the immediate dropping of Geraint Jones and reinstatement of Chris Read. Jones can't keep. I reckon he gave away about as many runs as he scored. I'd rather have Read scoring 20s and keeping it tight behind the stumps than Jones scoring 40s and giving 30-odd away in byes and dropped catches.


Be fair, did you see some of those byes? No keeper would have stopped those.

For me, Jones kept well, held his catches and contributed a good 45 runs at a time when England needed precisely that. He'll play next time - and rightly so.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LondonVillageRed wrote:
OH f**k, SUMMER'S HERE........


Time to hibernate, LVR..... Wink
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Next Test - keep Strauss? Reply with quote

CTID wrote:
For me, you've gotta after the last few days. Very impressive. Vaughan back if fit - and the end of Hussain? Bit harsh after his ton today, but he's probably the weakest link in the middle order and Strauss proved he's got quality.


The weakest link in the middle order?, well both Strauss and Vaughan are opening batsmen so I doubt this would be the right thing to do. Although, that said, didn't Vaughan or Tresco used to bat at number 3 at a time for England? if so, then I suppose it could work. Confused

Giles will be dropped I presume, and I really hope Nasser doesn't retire, he at least needs to make 100 tests. Oh-so close.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say the reason Boycott doesn't sound 100% is that he had cancer of the throat. I'd guess no-one would sound 100% after that. I don't think it actually means he isn't recovered, he'll presumably never sound like his old self.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nasser to be dropped becos we need to groom our team ready to win back the ashes. and nasser wont be around then!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was lucky enough to go to Lords on FRiday. Strauss looked really shaky and I think he would have struggled against a better bowling attack, keep Hussein until the end of summer.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I ever tell anyone about my Hat-trick at Headingley?
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTID wrote:
Be fair, did you see some of those byes? No keeper would have stopped those.

For me, Jones kept well, held his catches and contributed a good 45 runs at a time when England needed precisely that. He'll play next time - and rightly so.

OK maybe I'm being a tad harsh, but that dropped catch off Chris Martin was unforgiveable. Should have been a regulation catch, but he went for the spectacular dive when it plainly wasn't needed. It gifted NZ 23 runs that, while inconsequential in the end, could have cost us.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palfrexm wrote:
Did I ever tell anyone about my Hat-trick at Headingley?


I think you already have.......
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Yorkshire just scored 415 in 50 overs against Devon!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/bsp/hi/cricket/statistics/scorecards/natwest_trophy/7049/html/scorecard_hi.stm
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donkey Derby wrote:
I see Yorkshire just scored 415 in 50 overs against Devon!

Should just about be able to defend that....
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep Strauss and move him to third, drop Giles. Mark Butcher can bowl spin if needed, can't he?

TBH I think Vaughan is the weak link in terms of ability, but he is a good captain.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John_D wrote:
Donkey Derby wrote:
I see Yorkshire just scored 415 in 50 overs against Devon!

Should just about be able to defend that....


Not a bad response from Devon though

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Nombre wrote:
Mark Butcher can bowl spin if needed, can't he?

TBH I think Vaughan is the weak link in terms of ability, but he is a good captain.

Butcher is strictly military medium when he turns his arm over.

Vaughan? Weak link? You're having a laugh aren't you? OK, so since he took on the captaincy his form has suffered. Form, however, is temporary. Class is permanent. And he bowls a mean off break.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree John D, Vaughan can bowl a bit of spin and IMO doesn't bowl enough in test matches. Afterall, he did dispose of a certain Sachin Tendulca a few years back too.

Butcher and Trecotic can both bowl, but when we have the likes of Hoggard, Jones, Flintoff and Harmison, who needs them?
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