alleged fertilser muslims what you think?

keef

Was surprised there was nothing about the recent arrest of the 'British' Pakistani's arrested on here.
Are they as 'innocent' as the Tipton Taliban. Had there been a masssive pansy sale at B and Q and the lad's were simply preparing to do a spot of mulching.
Thing is on here we always get, and rightly so, the innocent until guilty campaigners, just wondered on this occasion what you people think?
Or is it still a case of all our ignorance and pretending that this just did not happen?
Reports and intelligence being put out would suggest that the arrests have been a long organised affair with surveillance going on for sometime. Yet their Uncles are on tv saying no way, they are not connected to anyone?

UkrainianPhil · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject:

One thing's for sure keef, this is not America.

And if and when Al-Qaeida commit a massive atrocity somewhere in this country all I can see is a terrible backlash against all Muslims living here. Not saying it's right, but it will happen. Definitely.
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acombred · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject:

Can we not see see what the outcome of the trial (assuming it goes to trial) is before judging people? Rolling Eyes

keef · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject:

Acombred not one word has been said against these people. Simply asked the question. Neither I nor Phil cast any judgement.
You always seem to jump to everyones defence and take things personally. Just posted the topic to get views, no right, nor wrong answer.
Please read the responses there is no judgement just views.
You say if it goes to trial? so there was sale at B and Q then, and the bomb making gear was all a cover up for another episode of Ground Force. Please dont make me laugh

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MacPhail · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject:

At the end of the day it's our wishy-washy attitude to this type of thing that will come back to bite us in the arse.

We're effectively "at War" and we should treat suspected enemies/traitors as such.

Thank Christ we didn't have the "Human Rights" Lobby during WW2 ..... Rolling Eyes

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Lardmonster · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject:

I'm minded to think that the blame will lie in a tiny minority of radicals - people who are influential in Muslim society or local mosques, but operating outside the "official" Islamic hierarchy.

Today's move by the Muslim Council of Great Britain - an open letter to the whole Muslim community, reminding all that murder and violence has no place in the life of a true Muslim - is the best anti-terrorist move in the UK in the past 2 years.

(Shame it took so long, but...)
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TheCat · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:33 pm Post subject:

I think its a load of sh*t...
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MacPhail · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:40 pm Post subject:

Very true Matthew - it's going to take the Muslim community in this Country to take a stand against the Evil elements in their midst before we can work towards a solution.

It might be a contoversial view but I REALLY think that a major terrorist atrocity, when it comes {and it WILL}, will be the best thing all round because it's going to force the Muslim Community to make a choice about where their loyalties lie and hopefully we can ALL come together and rid ourselves of those who hate our way of life and want to do all they can to damage us.
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acombred · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject:

El_pats · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:13 am Post subject:

WOOOHHHOOO yeah come on guys lets post again Exclamation

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Lardmonster · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:22 pm Post subject:

There was an interview on R4 this morning - I forget exactly who with - with a young lad chosen to represent the views of young British muslims.

He was warning against the Christian (not the correct word, but it's better than using "white") community getting involved with this, an matter that's internal to the Muslim community. Indeed, he went so far as to make a direct comparison with the BNP.

I paraphrase: "It's not our [Muslims] place to get involved in anti-BNP activity - it's up to the rest of the white population to express its revolt. Similarly, it's the responsibility of the majority of life-living, law-abiding Muslims to show their revolt for terrorist acts".

I really don't want to relight the old BNP debate, but it makes you think. It's a shame, though, that the Muslim Council of GB have no formal religious or moral duties to the community - otherwise their letter this week might be taken seriously by more people.
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1tom · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:31 pm Post subject:

You can't have it both ways either - If you give more powers to the elected Parliament, the next step they'll take is to remove trial by jury. They've tried to do it once and they'll try again.

I'd also say that removing the principal of 'innocent untill proven guilty' and giving Europol as well as the European council members indemnity from prosecution when operating in our country constitutes having a hold over our legal system.

As for giving more power to the EU parliament, will it result in less power for the non-elected bureaucrats or less power for our government ?

I could go on - there's a million and one reasons why we should pull out of a corrupt money grabbing constitution that is the EU.
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gster · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:31 pm Post subject:

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1tom · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:07 pm Post subject:

While we're on with the EU, some other things to bear in mind for you European lovers

For every pound England receives in benefit form the EU it costs us £4.15

The current English pension liability is quite bad - around £4,000 per head. However, we have £600 billion invested in pensions, more than the rest of the EU put together. If we join the Euro it will all be pooled together the liability will rise to around £30,000 per head.

EU legislation will mean that you can be extradited and tried under a foreign country's law even if you have not committed a crime recognised by English law - the only thing needed is evidence that a warrant has been properly issued.
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gster · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject: