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UkrainianPhil
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According to today's Non League Paper, your beloved AFC Wimbledon have sacked manager Terry Eames.
After a power struggle between various factions of the AFC Wimbledon Supporters Trust, Eames was offered a pay-off to resign, and when he refused this insult, he was accused of 'gross misconduct' and sacked.
Just goes to show that AFCW are not what they seem - Eames had given up a full time job at BT to give sufficient time to the club's attempts to win promotion. The problems apparently stem from a power struggle involving his wife Anne, who was elected to the Board of the Trust, but then stepped down immediately.
A tearful Eames said:
'This club is supposed to be a fans club, but that is all rubbish. Some of the people are no better than at the other Wimbledon in Milton Keynes. After all me and my family's work in the last two years, this makes me sick to the bottom of my stomach.'
Is now the time to say 'I told you so'?
Having a Supporters Trust doesn't mean that the club is being run properly and it doesn't mean that members who control the decisions won't abuse that power to settle personal scores.
Pre-season invitation withdrawn, methinks.
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acombred
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| So you know for a fact that he's right and AFC Wimbledon are wrong? |
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No, but he knows that Ukelele Phil is right and the rest of the world is wrong.
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Woody Wilson
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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It's an opinion lads, deal with it.
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El Nombre
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Woody Wilson wrote: |
| It's an opnion lads, deal with it. |
An onion?
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Woody Wilson
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, an onion. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Woody Wilson wrote: |
| It's an opnion lads, deal with it. |
**ssssssslurp**
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| acombred wrote: |
| So you know for a fact that he's right and AFC Wimbledon are wrong? |
Read up on it Laurence, and you would know that 'AFC Wimbledon are wrong' is a silly thing to say.
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acombred
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I will read the Club's version of events when they become available. |
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| acombred wrote: |
| I will read the Club's version of events when they become available. |
I would advise you to do so.
And when you do I hope you will come to the conclusion that a minority of 'influential' people have used AFC Wimbledon for their own ends thus removing a very popular and successful manager from his post. Therefore Eames' description that AFCW is not really a 'fan run club' is correct.
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The Post Master General
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Supporters owned clubs may never be 100% perfect, but I know I'd rather have a fans run club at York City, than a club run by Craig or Snatchelor.
Such a shame AFC Wimbledon are in this position, after all if it wasn't for the actions of the "franchisers" the whole situation would never have arisen. |
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Frank
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Being owned and run by a supporters' trust is no guarantee against mistakes or inflated egos.
But the point, surely, is that the trust members can remove those responsible if they believe they have acted against the best interests of the club.
I'm surprised they've sacked Eames, but I suppose it depends what the "gross misconduct" consisted of.
AFCW won 9-0 on Saturday, but I don't know if that was before or after Mr Eames' dismissal.
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Frank wrote: |
But the point, surely, is that the trust members can remove those responsible if they believe they have acted against the best interests of the club.
I'm surprised they've sacked Eames, but I suppose it depends what the "gross misconduct" consisted of.
AFCW won 9-0 on Saturday, but I don't know if that was before or after Mr Eames' dismissal. |
The point is Frank, that a MINORITY of self-interested trust members can remove the manager despite his popularity amongst the members. It is interesting to note that an election has just taken place and so most of the people who have acted disgracefully won't be up for re-election for a few years..............clearly the row has been some kind of power struggle involving Eames wife who was elected but then immediately stood down.
The 9-0 was AFTER the sacking but AFCW could have beaten Chessington United with 5 men they are that bad.
AFCW can never have any credibility while a minority of people influential in their trust can behave in the same way as Craig basically.
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Frank
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| UkrainianPhil wrote: |
| ...a MINORITY of self-interested trust members can remove the manager despite his popularity amongst the members. It is interesting to note that an election has just taken place and so most of the people who have acted disgracefully won't be up for re-election for a few years.... |
You know more about the internal politics of the Dons' Trust than I do, but I would have thought that if sufficient members are outraged by their board's actions, they can call an EGM to take a vote of no confidence.
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| ...AFCW can never have any credibility while a minority of people influential in their trust can behave in the same way as Craig basically. |
Even assuming Mr Eames is innocent of any misconduct, I don't think their behaviour equates with Craig's at all. Whatever their faults, I doubt very much that they are on the verge of killing their club, or of trousering millions of quid as a result.
I won't take sides without knowing the details. All I'm trying to point out is that, whatever the rights and wrongs, at a trust-run club, the supporters do have ways and means of ousting trust and club board members if they wish to.
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Having been suspended last weekend, Eames has now been sacked following a disciplinary hearing.
Details at: http://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/news/index.html#0216statement
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: AFC Wimbledon Scandal |
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| UkrainianPhil wrote: |
According to today's Non League Paper, your beloved AFC Wimbledon have sacked manager Terry Eames.
After a power struggle between various factions of the AFC Wimbledon Supporters Trust, Eames was offered a pay-off to resign, and when he refused this insult, he was accused of 'gross misconduct' and sacked.
Just goes to show that AFCW are not what they seem - Eames had given up a full time job at BT to give sufficient time to the club's attempts to win promotion. The problems apparently stem from a power struggle involving his wife Anne, who was elected to the Board of the Trust, but then stepped down immediately.
A tearful Eames said:
'This club is supposed to be a fans club, but that is all rubbish. Some of the people are no better than at the other Wimbledon in Milton Keynes. After all me and my family's work in the last two years, this makes me sick to the bottom of my stomach.'
Is now the time to say 'I told you so'?
Having a Supporters Trust doesn't mean that the club is being run properly and it doesn't mean that members who control the decisions won't abuse that power to settle personal scores.
Pre-season invitation withdrawn, methinks.
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A bit hasty with that condemnation there Phil.
What would you say if AFC Wimbledon supporters reacted in the same way to our trust's sacking of Terry Dolan?
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acombred
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil will come up with some excuse to say AFC Wimbledon are guilty. After all, he decides who is guilty and that's it, no need for a trial or hearing. |
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil will come up with some excuse to say AFC Wimbledon are guilty. After all, he decides who is guilty and that's it, no need for a trial or hearing. |
That's right Laurence, there's nothing worse than having a control freak telling what you can or cannot say is there?
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Phil - you've had an agenda against AFC Wimbledon for as long as I can remember, and you've always fuelled it with misquoted facts and half truths.
I have no idea why you hold such a grudge, and why you always want to critisise a group who were willing to go out on a limb for York City on more than one occasion.
Any talk about personal grudges are just heresay, and the talk of him being offered a payoff before being sacked, are just heresay as well.
In fact, the board of York City could been seen as worse; AFCW have released a statement giving details of what happened, why it happened and how the process has been undertaken. Our board acted to remove TD, and ended up losing a tribunal case of certain aspects of it. Not trying to say that we didn't have the moral high ground, but in the eyes of the law right now, AFCW have acted properly, we acted improperly.
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Any talk about personal grudges are just heresay, and the talk of him being offered a payoff before being sacked, are just heresay as well. |
I simply quoted the words of Terry Eames himself, a man who knows far more about what goes on at AFCW behind the scenes than you or I.
So, I'm happy to go along with his view of events - as are a lot of AFCW supporters themselves who are unhappy with the way he has been treated.
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| UkrainianPhil wrote: |
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| Any talk about personal grudges are just heresay, and the talk of him being offered a payoff before being sacked, are just heresay as well. |
I simply quoted the words of Terry Eames himself, a man who knows far more about what goes on at AFCW behind the scenes than you or I.
So, I'm happy to go along with his view of events - as are a lot of AFCW supporters themselves who are unhappy with the way he has been treated.
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With all due respect - TE can hardly be said to have no axe to grind? And I haven't seen a quote from Eames claiming that he was offered a payoff? Not disputing he has said it tho'.
In many ways, I'd have thought that if this DID happen, the AFCW board might have been acting kindly, if ill-advisedly.
Fair enough, if the fans all feel this way then as has already been said, they can simply vote those responsible off the trust board.
Still don't know why you have such an anti-AFCW agenda though Phil?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Reg Hedge wrote: |
| Still don't know why you have such an anti-AFCW agenda though Phil? |
I keep you telling you, Phil acts out his own self loathing by attacking versions of his past or current selves. Thus AFCW, as a group of disgruntled fans who made the ultimate sacrifice by starting again, are a prime target because they've made exactly the kind of decisions Phil would love to have been involved with. Q.E.D.
If anyone else would like a session on the psychiatrist's coach, my rates are very reasonable.
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UkrainianPhil
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| I keep you telling you, Phil acts out his own self loathing by attacking versions of his past or current selves. Thus AFCW, as a group of disgruntled fans who made the ultimate sacrifice by starting again, are a prime target because they've made exactly the kind of decisions Phil would love to have been involved with. Q.E.D. |
No you're wrong.
It's because they are famous eaters of jam sandwiches, and when I was at school I used to eat jam sandwiches but now I don't like them.
Wazock.
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| The board of AFCW in a statement yesterday wrote: |
The AFC Wimbledon board believe that, under the democratic structure of Dons Trust control, we must strive to be more than just another football club. An important part of this is to be open and honest with supporters and Dons Trust members. Therefore we feel we must report the following matters to you.
In the statement which we issued on Wednesday 18 February, the board said that we were “investigating another matter of serious concern”. Today the board can confirm that we have been looking into the issue of the offer of unauthorised payments over recent days and on Friday evening we met the first team squad to discuss it. We have discovered that Terry Eames offered most of the squad, but not all, significant bonuses for winning the league and also for winning the league cup.
At the meeting, chairman Kris Stewart told the squad that the board has never, at any time, discussed, developed or authorised any proposals for bonus payments to players for winning the league this season. He apologised for their hopes being raised by this unauthorised offer and said that the bonuses would not be paid, not least because we could not justify, to ourselves or to supporters and Dons Trust members, payments of such a scale.
While the amounts that were offered varied from player to player, the most common was £1,000 for winning the league and £500 for winning the league cup. The players understood these amounts to be payable after tax had been deducted. If a squad of 16 players was paid these amounts then, after taking tax and national insurance into account, the cost would have been over £33,000, or 30% extra on our wages bill.
Kris explained that the board had developed and approved a bonus scheme whereby the players and support staff would share in the extra revenue which would be gained through success in the Vase and the Surrey Senior Cup. These bonuses were not paid since they were due to start if we had beaten Colne and Banstead, respectively. In addition the board has provided for a small bonus if the team win the league cup. We discovered on Friday evening that some players had been told about these proposals, some had been informed of incorrect amounts payable under the scheme and some had been told nothing at all.
We have offered assistance to any player who might have over-committed himself in anticipation of the payments. The club has been put into a position where we feel honour bound to make some payment, albeit much less than the unauthorised amounts offered, and we have undertaken to go back to the players when we have found a way to do this without jeopardising other areas of essential spending.
The board has until recent events adopted a policy of agreeing players’ financial arrangements with the team manager and leaving the manager to conduct direct discussions with the players. In future, the club chairman will join the team manager in these discussions to avoid any repetition of the embarrassment and distress caused by this situation. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting that Frank.
We can now come to an informed opinion.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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...Phil....?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| ...Phil....? |
It's all a lie perpetrated by the BBC.
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UkrainianPhil
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Let's see what Terry Eames has to say when the dust settles.
After all, if it's a political decision then his supposed midemeanours will be presented exactly as they have been - in a 'political' way.
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